http://www.deborahcopakenkogan.com/wp-content/gallery/portraits-individual/eric_alterman__author.jpg
― Mordy, Monday, 8 May 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
and lookee here: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/general/news/2011/09/08/10303/think-again-its-not-what-bill-keller-believed-about-iraq-its-who/
In it, Keller recalls his charter membership in what he calls “the I-Can’t-Believe-I’m-a-Hawk Club,” made up of liberals for whom 9/11 stirred a fresh willingness to employ American might. It was a large and estimable group of writers and affiliations, including, among others, Thomas Friedman of The New York Times; Fareed Zakaria of Newsweek; George Packer and Jeffrey Goldberg of The New Yorker; Richard Cohen of The Washington Post; the blogger Andrew Sullivan; Paul Berman of Dissent; Christopher Hitchens of just about everywhere; and Kenneth Pollack, the former CIA analyst whose book The Threatening Storm became the liberal manual on the Iraqi threat.
― Mordy, Monday, 8 May 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link
the bitchiest wieseltier takedown of all time (not that it's wrong)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/leon-wieseltier-is-a-creep.-hes-also-an-intellectual-fraud./article/2010308#!
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
i've always thought he was an overrated hack
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:35 (six years ago) link
That dude being a predator was the first I'd ever heard of him so good legacy he's got there
― .oO (silby), Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
he was an editor + writer for new republic and the atlantic for many years so he's not exactly unknown
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
15 years ago he frequented a bookstore i worked in; didn't do anything unreasonable, but he was somewhat creepy
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
i know nothing about writer or writee but that was a joy to read
― imago, Thursday, 2 November 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
cosign - not to be slept on imo
― Mordy, Friday, 3 November 2017 00:00 (six years ago) link
I met him once, he seemed like a random old guy and made no impression on me as being either intellectual or creepy
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 3 November 2017 00:05 (six years ago) link
Epstein's finale:
In his middle sixties, now that he has been publicly shamed and self-confessed as a creep, the Leon Wieseltier Show would seem to be over. No comeback for its star, surely, is possible, or so one might think. But I wouldn’t bet on it.
In today's market, I am sure someone somewhere would be willing to pay for a bit of intellectual "tuchus-lecking."
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 3 November 2017 03:44 (six years ago) link
Leon’s reputed cocaine habit, which caused him to load up his Honda with the review copies of books sent by publishers to the magazine and sell them to support his expensive drug habit.
idk how you could afford any coke on that
― j., Friday, 3 November 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link
hagiography
― Mordy, Friday, 3 November 2017 04:13 (six years ago) link
When you win the Nobel Prize but nothing can fill the gaping abyss of your insecurity: https://t.co/LiGPQpeZbR pic.twitter.com/dFY5mBWU4c— Angela Chen (@chengela) September 10, 2018
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 September 2018 15:30 (five years ago) link
https://twitter.com/search?q=ailey%20o%27toole&src=tyah
https://www.vulture.com/2018/12/plagiarism-drama-surrounds-pushcart-nominated-poet.html
― j., Monday, 3 December 2018 00:57 (five years ago) link
hope someone somewhere out there is available to stay on suicide watch for this unfortunate case
― j., Monday, 3 December 2018 00:59 (five years ago) link
Plagiarism is the dumbest shit
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:06 (five years ago) link
― jmm, Monday, 3 December 2018 04:34 (five years ago) link
she picked the wrong poet to plagiarize. rachel mckibben is not being philosophical about it.
"...In paraphrasing you, I had hoped to put our poems into conversation with each other and go on to explore new terrain opened up for me by your work. I am deeply ashamed of the mistake I made and hope you can accept my sincerest apologies." Bitch, I DON'T.— Rachel McKibbens (@RachelMcKibbens) December 1, 2018
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 05:39 (five years ago) link
I need to come back to this, because that tattoo of hers is more than just a line. I was the youngest patient in the US to get braces back in the 80s. My orthodontist was stunned that I'd lost all my baby teeth. I was seven.— Rachel McKibbens (@RachelMcKibbens) December 1, 2018
My dad helped me lose those teeth, Ailey. Here's a line I never put in a poem: the tooth fairy doesn't come for teeth knocked down your throat. You can have that one.— Rachel McKibbens (@RachelMcKibbens) December 1, 2018
jesus christ
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 05:41 (five years ago) link
Rachel McKibbens has a point. Did Ailey O'Toole ever contact her and ask her permission to "put our poems into conversation with each other and go on to explore new terrain opened up for me by your work"? Given Rachel's response, I'd say the chances are nil.
Plagiarism is the dumbest shit.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 3 December 2018 05:44 (five years ago) link
yeah, i am not saying mckibbens is wrong to be angry. i am just saying, whoa, she is angry.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 05:47 (five years ago) link
Excusing a white person's criminal behavior because you assume they have mental illness IS PART OF WHITE SUPREMACY. Check yourselves. #AileyOToole #RachelMcKibbens #PushcartPrize #Poetry— Voight-Kampff Test (@enjen99) December 2, 2018
can't help but feel a bit worried for a (seemingly very young person) getting the brunt of these kinds of twitter broadsides. again, not saying the analysis is wrong, just... eesh
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 05:49 (five years ago) link
I myself have had my style co-opted by other students in workshops. This is not flattery — this is theft. Not nearly as egregious as spitting back words of another poet. Plagiarisers are not welcome in the writing community. #AileyOToole— Rachael Walker (@rwalkerwrites) December 3, 2018
this take however is pretty fucking dumb
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 05:52 (five years ago) link
ppl can't tell if you embed tweets here can they
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 05:58 (five years ago) link
This is not flattery — this is theft.
urrggh. She thinks she can claim all property rights to a style?! Uh, nope. No one ever did before.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 3 December 2018 06:04 (five years ago) link
yeah. i think this kind of mistake is inevitable given the strident anti-plagiarism stance people were taking on twitter, in which true poetry was an expression of the poet's authentic voice and anything short of that is stealing. i agree that people shouldn't lift lines from other poets, but i also think all art emerges from a tradition and it's naive to imagine that any poet arrived at their voice all alone, rather than via dialogue with other poets. we live in a society and all that
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 06:10 (five years ago) link
I think there's a lot of space between that and biting poems from a book published in 2017
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 3 December 2018 06:30 (five years ago) link
exactly
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 06:31 (five years ago) link
The idea that a real poet finds some kind of perfectly individual voice is one of those myths that both critics and artists love to fetishize. The greatest poets are always derivative to some degree and most achieve their individual distinction mostly upon stylistic nuances and personal themes and imagery. Non-greatest poets do exactly the same, except not as successfully.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 3 December 2018 06:34 (five years ago) link
yeah, you have to fight to be original. not everyone gets there.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 06:35 (five years ago) link
We at @GhostCityPress will not tolerate plagiarism. It’s like removing the flesh & bones from an artist. It’s stealing their voice. It’s evil. In light of recent events, we have taken down Ailey O'Toole’s work. Someone’s voice is to be celebrated, not taken away from them.— Justin Karcher (@justin_karcher) December 1, 2018
should be asleep but i am reading more tweets about this. what does ilx think of this kind of reaction? i think it's over the top and so much response has been in this vein. again--plagiariam is bad and certainly a kind of violation--but is evil really a good word to use for someone who isn't donald trump?
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 06:38 (five years ago) link
the poetry world is exceedingly small and difficult to become established within, so that the idea of anyone occupying some unmerited sliver of publishing space in that crowded and miniscule world utterly infuriates the coterie of poets who've managed to carve out a tiny bit of standing room in that micro-universe.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 3 December 2018 06:44 (five years ago) link
perhaps the fact that these people are involved in 'the lit world' does not necessarily mean that they have good judgment in other, or perhaps any, respects
― j., Monday, 3 December 2018 06:46 (five years ago) link
yeah i guess. i just think the absolutism is idiotic.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 06:49 (five years ago) link
plagiarism is a bad idea and very stupid but yeah it does not rate very highly on the "evil" scale. it's not really even "criminal behavior" in the usual sense of the word; you could lose your job or a book contract for doing it, but you're probably not going to jail. (good thing too, or bob dylan would already be there.)
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 06:53 (five years ago) link
it seems like part of a broader trend toward flagrant self-righteousness.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 06:58 (five years ago) link
and lack of self awareness.
like did that poet above, who complained about people biting her style in her poetry classes, never try on the style of other poets in the process of finding her own voice? is she an actual god capable of ex nihilo creation?
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:01 (five years ago) link
"I myself have had my style co-opted by other students in workshops."
i bet this person is a real blast to hang out with
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 07:05 (five years ago) link
snowflakes on a wet black bough
― imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:11 (five years ago) link
imago, calling out sanctimoniousness among twitter users is my thing. back the fuck off.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:14 (five years ago) link
lollll
― j., Monday, 3 December 2018 07:14 (five years ago) link
Uh it's one thing to steal a line or two from another poet/m, but she pretty much plagiarized the entire thing:
pic.twitter.com/5W10pIffMD— Brenna Twohy (@brennatwohy) December 1, 2018
― Roz, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:21 (five years ago) link
click through to thread.
― Roz, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:23 (five years ago) link
no, for sure, i'm not saying what she did wasn't bad. it's totally cool for her work to get pulled from all these poetry sites and stuff. i just think the language about her being evil and removing flesh and bones from artists was way over the top and kind of sadistic.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:26 (five years ago) link
it's the glee in the persecution that bothers me. and since it's a group phenomenon it disturbs me more than the existence of one plagiarizer.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:28 (five years ago) link
I'm fine with the (apparently quite witty) vitriol of the plagiarised poets
The problem is other people chipping in, having their say
― imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:36 (five years ago) link
and as ever, this is the real menace
It's so fucking arrogant and selfish. I'm so sorry, Brenna. xo— Jamie Caroline (@JamesCaroline) December 1, 2018
― imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:39 (five years ago) link
anyway treesh im so sorry u had to go thru this, anything u need just ask x
― imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:40 (five years ago) link
anyone who co-opts the style of someone who says ‘i myself’ in a tweet is a fool
― estela, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:41 (five years ago) link