Artificial intelligence still has some way to go

eh, may as well just live a little and try it myself without ai assist mode

we talked about ilx for a while. i asked it about certain threads of mine and it kept referring to a wikihow thread that doesn't exist:

not sure what you're talking about as this is secretly one of my favorite threads on ilx? it's here fyi Wikihow: the worst content on the internet?"

haa

Did that list of famous ilxers just come from wikipedia?

Yeah, feel sure I've seen that before ire (in real internet)

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:r4r6pybalricew7qva5h7wyr/bafkreigxv75fcmazsrndu5dqtmjefysea3ickc6xr4gtc4yyqfysheztlq@jpeg

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https://bsky.app/profile/tomerullman.bsky.social/post/3kswcezpfyr2c

and here's how (and to turn off ads and other crap too): https://tedium.co/2024/05/17/google-web-search-make-default/

thank you!

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Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI situation. Wow: pic.twitter.com/8ibMeLfqP8

— Bobby Allyn (@BobbyAllyn) May 20, 2024

Yeah, that's a good tip, thanks ledge

xpost that is pretty fucked up

Tom Waits to thread.

https://archive.ph/ZNKR8

guess i shouldnt be surprised theyre that bold re the scarlett johansson thing but damn they are bold arent they, and super lame, trying to copy a movie, the movie people should sue them, the government should launch a missile at them

I still think there is a huge opportunity in making voice assistants actually usable, and related stuff like being able to accept natural language queries to invoke relatively complex actions on your computer. That probably doesn't qualify as AI but at its best it could make current computing UX feel like "dumb" computing

There's been "English is the next programming language" hype for a while now - even if it worked, like, whose English?

does talking to a computer/automated interface make anyone else feel like a mark or is it just me

hah yeah idk why but I get weirdly self conscious speaking into the remote control even if it does save time

It doesnt tho! Im not going to remodulate my voice so a machine understands it thats dehumanizing and stupid!

it was really hard to get voice recognition to its currently kinda ok level and getting it to good will be much harder, maybe too hard, and then you have the problems of understanding what was said and making a good response

It doesn't need to be spoken, could be typed. I'd much rather type "email the garden supply place to ask why those pots haven't been delivered yet" than hunt for the receipt, think about what to say, make sure to put the order number in the subject line etc

yeah keyboards are much easier but typing stuff out letter-by-letter on the TV is really obnoxious

maybe one day you can just think about it real hard

"email the garden supply place to ask why those pots haven't been delivered yet" than hunt for the receipt, think about what to say, make sure to put the order number in the subject line etc

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, May 21, 2024 9:46 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

computers have a hard time with this stuff progress has been made but its just against their nature to understand things like the garden supply place and those pots

a faster solution to Tracer's problem would be abolishing capitalism imho

talking to devices… people like to role play they’re captain picard or something

its just handy in some situations

text to speech is nice for asking your smart tv device to search for the movie netflix has, but buried ten layers deep

idk how to explain it but the way things are give me this weird sort of anxiety

maybe it's just growing up in the 90s when media was "dumb", like VHS/DVDs were the same every time you watched them, books didn't change pages, everyone had to watch the same commercials, etc. even the internet was like that, webpages looked the same every time you loaded them, it really was kind of a digital library. stuff was connected via webrings and long "links to my friends" pages. now we're online constantly but everything keeps changing, tailored more and more towards you, generally not in the fun way of "here's something you'll like", but rather "hey we know you're nervous about the election and got some high blood pressure readings lately, here are some articles which will freak you out". Google search is constantly changing in ways that are making it worse and worse, you have to go through pages and pages to find anything that's not a for-profit enterprise. social media keeps getting more spammy and full of fake shit, also if you see something you like and didn't save/bookmark it it's often very hard to find again.

in other words it feels like our worlds have gotten much less concrete, we're not really in control of what we see anymore (even the idea of a digital music library is now an old guy thing), it's all kinda controlled by these algorithms and nobody knows how they work, but you know they aren't geared to make things easier or more useful, but rather to data mine ways to get extra clicks from you. it's just pure dystopian shit. even dumb mobile games are affected, they are now gamed like slot machines in order to get you to watch the maximum amount of ads, not to be fun or challenging or even make any linear sense whatsoever. I miss Tetris and games that you could like, beat.

anyway this is what worries me about AI, I mean already right now searching through Bing or Google you immediately get hit with half a page of AI-generated garbage, even worse when it's AI garbage which tries to be cute or sassy or whatever. maybe some people find it helpful but I don't. because you know it's AI-generated and when you actually care about getting the right answer you don't wanna trust a source that will occassionally tell you to eat glue (as I think Bing search is doing sometimes when you ask it for cooking help). and the future is gonna be more of that shit not less. I mean already we're at the point where people don't even trust images they see online anymore, its like in the NFL where they throw so many flags that it makes the game less fun to watch, because every big play your first thought is to see if there's a flag that could reverse it. even funny stuff is affected, a lot of skit-type stuff or fake songs are now being outsourced to AI which kinda takes me out of it (maybe the younger generation doesn't feel this way). you know how things seem a lot funnier when people around you are laughing? comedy's like that, if someone took the time to make it then they too thought it was funny and think you will as well, but just knowing it was generated by procedural learning makes seem way less so. I mean we've all heard people with no comedic rhythm or timing try to retell a joke in a way that makes it seem like they don't understand it, it's awful. I have laughed at AI-generated stuff before but it's always because the prompt itself is something that would make me laugh

I think this is why there's such a backlash to it, it saps the fun out of things, and the hatred for AI-generated stuff that hasn't exactly diminished the way I thought it would, if anything it's getting more intense. people do not like this shit and when it comes to deepfake stuff there's basically no real reason at all for it to exist. like I'm actually kind of astonished that we developed this technology where you could have it generate a high-quality image of anything you could dream of and most people got bored of it within an about an hour. I've played games of chess that went longer.

actually I'd kind of love to hear some thoughts on this from a teenager, I guess all paradigm-shifting technology has folks complaining about how it's gonna make us lose a piece of our humanity and I know when I was young I would make fun of older people going "why do I need a MOBILE phone" or "GPS is stupid learn how to read a map"

Checking out this website builder ai that just shits out a webflow site from an ai prompt lol fuck me

i really hate this style of website

https://www.relume.io/

Where are you seeing ai generated comedy skits?

The AI generated comedy stuff I enjoyed - mostly the steamed hams forever channel - I enjoyed exactly because it was very clearly done by a machine that has no sense of what funny is and no idea what the material put into it means, and so there was a slapstick appeal to seeing it vomit out these countless bizarre variations, I know this is antropromorphic but it felt like having a little fucked up robot pal who keeps trying and failing to produce something.

Not a vein of comedy with a lot of legs but I was hooked longer than I thought I'd be!

Don't think this will happen but a lot of money will be lost on "AI startups" and this could induce a deep recession.

Quite incredible that the tech industry is intent on destroying itself completely via LLM.

Google search: rapidly becoming useless. Windows: Copilot+ renders it unusable. The whole internet is being turned into tie-dye scrambled egg thanks to the stupidity and hubris of AI bros. https://t.co/6CTC9U5DFr

— Gareth Dennis (@GarethDennis) May 23, 2024

maybe one day you can just think about it real hard

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 14:49 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

time to volunteer as a test-subject at neuralink!

Where are you seeing ai generated comedy skits?

― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Thursday, May 23, 2024 1:00 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'm not, just saying on podcasts I'm seeing graphics and songs get outsourced to AI sometimes which is fine in service of a dumb joke but it always sorta takes me out of it. maybe its just me though. I guess I'm fine with some of this stuff just don't want it to become bigger than it is.

I was (still am) pretty interested in media literacy in the early 2000s, like I thought with the rise of Wikipedia and online news articles being able to link to their sources so you could read more/check they were representing it accurately (particularly science journalism but hoped it would filter through), I guess I naively hoped that with everyone finally realising that just because it's on your computer screen doesn't mean it wasn't made up by some random person, your average person might pause for a second before taking something at face value because it's "in print" somewhere.


I sort of expected that we'd be forced to get better at filtering out junk from legit content through necessity. Obviously you'd still have loads of people manipulated by YouTube videos or ranting Twitter feeds but twas ever thus.

and the onslaught of AI generated gobsmackingly WRONG content (I got Google gemini to do a very basic maths question and it just... kept lying to me about the numbers I'd given it) makes me realise, nope, belief in human-sounding text strings is being prioritised at all costs by the uber-tech guys and it totally depresses me.

Seems the origin of the Google AI’s conclusion was an 11 year old Reddit post by the eminent scholar, fucksmith. https://t.co/fG8i5ZlWtl pic.twitter.com/0ijXRqA16y

— Kurt Opsahl @k✧✧✧@ms✧✧✧.soc✧✧✧ (@kurtopsahl) May 23, 2024

https://udm14.com/

frogbs longer post otm

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/may/23/michael-schumacher-family-win-legal-case-against-publisher-over-fake-ai-interview

whether this answer is a hallucination or not, this seems bad, to me

hey can you repeat that last part pic.twitter.com/HksGRMeXUU

— Giovanni Colantonio (@MarioPrime) May 22, 2024

ah interesting

that's kind of an interesting wrinkle to this stuff, it doesn't know how to lie or use corporate speak. i'm sure companies will find ways to clean this up (for example I'm sure a lot of time was spent on Elon Musk's AI to ensure it can't say anything bad or truthful about him), but right now it seems like a good prompt can still fool it

frogbs longer post otm

― z_tbd, Thursday, May 23, 2024 9:48 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

^^ totally

it really was kind of a digital library

this is kind of why i find the whole situation depressing. i mean, it's like we had an opportunity to share all media infinitely and instead it's like a few losers who are pathologically focused on profit took a shit in the whole thing and destroyed our society in the process.

to me it just kind of reinforces the fact that most or maybe all of the internet is "fake" and "not real life" -- i do realize that's almost become like a generational shibboleth but i don't really care if somebody thinks that it's a boomer mentality

most or maybe all of the internet is "fake" and "not real life"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet%2C_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog

First world problems, sorry

capitalism's effect on society is a first world problem?

the other thing is all the ways the internet has 'improved' has been undone by this shit. sure you don't get pop-up ads anymore, instead ads have integrated themselves into every other part of the online experience. social media has exerted enormous effort into making ads look like real posts. there aren't computer viruses the way there used to be but now it feels like viruses just come pre-installed. I recently bought a new PC and the amount of shit it comes with that I don't want is just mind boggling. sometimes it'll even display little ads for it on boot-up, like hey why not try Candy Crush? that's the shit computer viruses used to do! its also true that you don't randomly encounter disgusting/gory/pornographic stuff as often as you used to, but again the algorithms seem geared to feed us psychologically damaging things everywhere we go, like I'd rather see goatse than load up my browser and immediately get hit with "PUTIN INSIDER SAYS NUCLEAR WAR IMMINENT!"

yes I know you can turn some of this shit off. they make it difficult to figure out how. and somehow my computer has a way of factory resetting these particular options every few weeks. very cool.