Grant Morrison: S&D

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So my girlfiend has been steadily feeding me Grant Morrison comics (Invisibles, Arkham Asylum, Mystery Play, Kill Your Boyfriend, etc.), and I didn't see any dedicated threads. He hasn't done wrong by me yet, in fact it's gotten me back into comics since I haven't read any for years.

However, there is a line in the last Animal Man that he did (the only one I've read) where he is explaining to the character he created how much better he is at building things up than resolving them, much like in his own life. I think this is a pretty fair assesment of his style, which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing, especially if you're expecting it and can just enjoy the journey.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 06:05 (twenty-two years ago) link

my own favourite Grant Morrison stuff are: Zenith, some Invisibles, X-Men, and er other stuff I can't remember.

I don't really rate Arkham Asylum, the plot is a bit hackneyed.

Zenith is really good, though. Nazis, superheroes, Lovecraftian gods, parallel worlds - what's not to like?

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 08:03 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey yes! Zenith was great. I reread it in it's old 2000 AD form and it still stands up fine, esp "Phase 3" w/it's crappy "superheroes" and epic destruction/pretension.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 08:09 (twenty-two years ago) link

looking at the stripography i realised that everything on there i liked i liked because of the art. oh um. my picks though:

zenith (steve yeowell)

st swithins day (paul grist) was great. found my copy again at the weekend funnily enough. edited by one mr skidmore btw

kill your boyfriend (philip bond)

steed and peel (ian gibson)

doom patrol 50 (jamie hewlett. i actually have the original hewlett art for the pinup from the back of this issue)

arkham asylum (dave mckean). best joker art ever.

dare (rian hughes)

new adventures of hitler (steve yeowell again). great colouring in this one. and morrissey in the wardrobe.

destroy:
that fauves 7" i have. 8)

i didn't get on with the invisibles..

andy

koogs, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 09:23 (twenty-two years ago) link

I love Steve Yeowell, but I never liked any of the coloured work I saw. I might have to look at that to see what good Yeowell colour's like.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 09:49 (twenty-two years ago) link

i have never really liked his stuff. i even found zenith just silly. st swithins day was ok, but i don't remember it very well, so not something i'd recommend either.

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 10:10 (twenty-two years ago) link

New Adventures of Adolf Hitler: Total Classic. "Jesus would have looked so good in lederhosen". class.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 10:29 (twenty-two years ago) link

that was in crisis wasn't it? didn't he also do the (utterly rub) Dan Dare update thing?

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 10:50 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah it was silly, but I thought that was intentional. Actually that's a lot of what I liked about it, once again esp. the third part.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 10:59 (twenty-two years ago) link

He also got a him-or-me ultimatum from PAT KANE!

Search: Doom Patrol, Zenith bk III (the others were a bit eh), JLA and DC One Million (grebt fun), Flex Mentallo

Destroy: Kill Your Boyfriend, a couple of other things stank too but I've forgotten them. He has a bit of a 'disco dad' streak when it comes to the young folk doing the crazy things.

Everything else is worth looking at if you like him. Basically the less ambitious he's being the better he is I think.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 11:05 (twenty-two years ago) link

Obviously as a former editor of Grant's work, I'm a big fan. I'm more proud of St Swithin's Day than any other comic I edited. I loved his JLA enormously - I'd not been so excited to get the next issue of a superhero comic since I was very young, and I'm enjoying his X-Men nearly as much. Doom Patrol was often dazzlingly wonderful. Animal Man was very funny in places (I loved #5, the Wile E. Coyote issue that foreshadowed the next 20 issues). I like him best on superheroes - I think he has a love for the weirdness and silliness and wildly over the top cosmis stories that seem to me to be some of the best things about the vintage superhero comics I love, like the old Flash and FF. I do wish he had worked with more good artists, but at least he's being mostly well-served on the X-Men currently. Oh, I liked his FF mini-series too - particularly great ending to the penultimate issue.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 11:17 (twenty-two years ago) link

search: flex mentallo

also, andrew farrell to thread!!!

angela (angela), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 11:40 (twenty-two years ago) link

What, he's doing X-Men NOW? I might have to get an issue! Any particular series? Ie Uncanny, plain, Generation X, I don't even know how many titles there are now or what they're all called, it's been YEARS.

Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 11:58 (twenty-two years ago) link

He's doing New X-Men. Been writing it for about a year+ now. It's as good as Martin et. al. make it out to be. That's the only X title I've been reading (not counting X-Static, which is also great, but has little relation to the "official" X stuff), and I am totally content in terms of continuity and keeping up w/ stuff and what have you. And the art is great - is Igor Kordey the first artist to blatantly pay homage to Gil Kane; his ink work gets a li'l sloppy at times (the price of working on 2 books @ once?), but the layouts (esp. on his first few X issues) are fantastic. And the other artists plying their trade for the X & Mr. Morrison (John Paul Leon & Bill Sienkiewicz / Frank Quitely / Phil Jiminez / Ethan Van Scier ) have been even better! And I think I managed to list them in terms of preference, too.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 12:37 (twenty-two years ago) link

Destroy: Marvel Boy, and possibly that Skull Thrill Kill Krew or whatever. and Kill your Boyfriend.

Search: everything else.

I didn't like Steve Yeowell's art when it was inked by Dick Giordano that much, but other than that, Classic.

I like his ambitious stuff, but that sholdn't be confused with stuff, like the current Filth, where he's just putting down a hundred ideas a minute without bothering about the plot. Though I also love that stuff.

His Imagination Unlimited can also really power his superhero writing. I've heard him described as the second coming of Jack Kirby, and I'd agree except that I think he writes better dialogue.

I love the story in the introduction to first Animal Man collection (next one due in 2012!) about him suddenly having to write a continuing series about a character that he picked to do a quick, short, story with. He sat up all night writing what he was convinced was terrible drivel that would get him laughed out of the business, and instead used to handily win Best Issue Ever polls ("The Coyote Gospel").

I actually think (though I've had this argument with Tom and DV already) that contrary to the last Animal Man, he's one of the best finishers in comics. That issue, the heartbreaking last two issues of Doom Patrol, the end of Flex Mentallo, and esp the JLA and him'n' Mark Millar's year on Flash.

I don't have the words to describe what the Invisibles means to me, but related to me and Tom and DV's conversation, the Anarchy for the Masses guide to the Invisibles has some interviews with him about the last few issues, and he's going "Yeah, this is the bit where it's all supposed to come into focus, and it doesn't really show it, does it? Fucking Ashley Wood. I think I'm going to have to get him to draw it again from scratch before we release the Trade."

Though all the artists for New X-Men are great (oh for a world where Frank Quitely could actually draw a regular series), it must be great to be coming back to comics from a while away and find that there's an X title (X-Statics) written by Peter Milligan and drawn by Michael Allred.

Igor Kordey's the fill-in artist of choice in Marvel these days. I think I heard that his art hasn't appeared in less that four books any given month this year.

And! The collection of the first few New X-Men issues (E for Extinction) comes with the original proposal for the series. You can pretty much see the editors jumping up and down yelling "he gets it! he really really gets it!"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:10 (twenty-two years ago) link

He did Flash!!! Holy pieces of crap!

I need to start a thread re: recent non-hero comics, though, just for the sake of it, because damned if I can find anything on the shelves I enjoy that doesn't involve six-pack abs and nth metals and ionic energy.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:26 (twenty-two years ago) link

BTW, Joe Quesada is a golden god.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:28 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: The Invisibles (freaking incredible and in some ways Douglas's-life-changing, esp. the final year after everybody who was expecting an adventure comic that made linear sense had packed up and gone home), Doom Patrol (perhaps a good starting point is the "brains in jars" issue--what number was that?--anyway, it's hysterical, and the last two issues are as majestic as has been indicated above). I like his New X-Men more in theory than in practice, but read it faithfully anyway, sometimes with delight.

Quote from him over dinner a few months ago, and you have to imagine this with a very heavy Scots accent: "The whole last storyline I did in JLA was just me metaphorizin' my depression and sayin': 'Superman--help me! Batman--help me!'"

Douglas, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 13:47 (twenty-two years ago) link

the last issue of Doom Patrol - the only one I read - is completely brilliant. As you say, heartbreaking.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 14:59 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search "Gideon Stargrave" Haha.

N0RM4N PH4Y, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 15:07 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think you may be right about the ambition factor Tom, since Mystery Play is one of my favorites that I've read so far. It's relatively unnassuming and quiet compared to some of the others, but one of the most solid. However, the ambition was part of what attracted me in the first place, really going for it even if it might not work.

I wasn't sure if I liked Kill Your Boyfriend while I was reading it, it definitely has it's really over the top moments (as opposed to the rest which is merely over the top), but somehow liked it a lot when I was done with it. One thing about all his work, it's great at creating an atmosphere or an encompassing mood that sticks with you for awhile after reading.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 17:38 (twenty-two years ago) link

Good grief, I didn't realise he'd actually resurrected the character!

N0RM4N PH4Y, Tuesday, 22 October 2002 18:27 (twenty-two years ago) link

The brain in a jar issue of Doom Patrol is #34

Also - Doomie to thread! ;)

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 21:49 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also search the time I was in the Musee d'Orsay in Paris and heard someone shout 'Martin!' which I ignored because I was in Paris, until it was repeated much closer, and it turned out to be Grant. That was good, though possibly not something anyone can 'search'. And possibly (though this is self-indulgent nonsense too) when he and Mark Millar swapped name badges at a comic convention, and went around 'admitting' that they pinched all their best ideas from the other person, i.e. Mark as Grant saying "I plagiarise everything from Mark Millar", and vice versa.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 23 October 2002 10:52 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
"Yeah, this is the bit where it's all supposed to come into focus, and it doesn't really show it, does it? Fucking Ashley Wood. I think I'm going to have to get him to draw it again from scratch before we release the Trade."

I can now confirm that this has happened. Except he got someone else to draw it.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 5 December 2002 12:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
now, i've never really been a comics fan, with the exception of an appreciation for al columbia, alan moore and charles burns. but i have been a big fan of moorcock's "cornelius chronicles" since i was in high school.

coming to "the invisibles" with that background, i have to say it's freaking great!!! is doom patrol this good, too??

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 05:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Doom Patrol is much better, but maybe less up your street. When I was editing Grant, many years ago, we also put out a comic tying in to the Jerry Cornelius stuff, with Moorcock's approval (and some consultation).

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

aha! what's it called??

vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 11:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Man-Elf - it ran five issues, as I recall.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

And Animal Man is just as good (or better than) Doom Patrol, imo. Then again, I've only read the DP that has been collected so far.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Animal Man starts badly (first four issues) then gets great, but the art is always rubbish, and apart from the magnificent Coyote issue (#5) I don't think there is much of it that matches a lot of DP.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

The last episode couple of issues holds up well, despite the gimmick not being quite what it was 10 years ago. I was surprised to find out, on rereading it recently, both that the last issue ends on such a blatant nostalgia-grabber, and that it's so effective.

Also a point against it is that the foreshadowing etc are all related to the same plot.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Worth pointing out that in the time since this thread was first created, we made a comics board, which has its own flourishing version: Grant Morrison S/D .

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

MAN-ELF!!!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I recently read the Sebastian O trade paperback, and was really impressed. Were there any more issues of this comic published, besides the ones in this collection?
And what is the ILX consensus on Sebastian?

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it was just those three issues, but yeah, I enjoyed it.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

MAN-ELF!!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I found the complete Flex Mentallo in a store down in Georgia for only eight bucks. Goes for like fifty on eBay. It's in good shape, too. Stupid Georgians.

Anyway, can't wait to read it.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Friday, 5 January 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

ack lucky~!

chaki (chaki), Friday, 5 January 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

oh damn bro. is a tpb collection still out of the question?

A B C (sparklecock), Friday, 5 January 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

why is there no tpb of that exactly...? I've never understood that.

as far as his recent output goes: We3 was pretty to look at/mildly clever, Vinarama was pretty great, Seaguy was baffling/kinda pointless.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 January 2007 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link

That's my favourite book that is

808 the Bassking (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 6 January 2007 04:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Flex Mentallo was hit with a cease and desist order by the Charles Atlas combine.

Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Saturday, 6 January 2007 05:21 (seventeen years ago) link

not quite, it's mainly cowardice from DC since the court case.

nu-mongrel (kit brash), Saturday, 6 January 2007 08:42 (seventeen years ago) link

DC just put out the Doom Patrol collection with Charles Atlas parody origin story, so maybe the Flex book will finally appear some day.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, indications seem to be that if Flex isn't prominently featured on the cover, everything will be cool. So it seems likely that the mini will be reprinted within an upcoming DP collection (with Doom Force, maybe?).

Deric W. Haircare (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

B-b-but he is prominently featured on the Doom Patrol cover!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 6 January 2007 13:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i loved his new x-men run and doom patrol.
vimanarama is a bit meh.
i can't get a hold of the invisibles yet.

Dxy (Danny), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

my favourite writer just now.

Dxy (Danny), Sunday, 7 January 2007 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the clincher's the "Hero of the Beach" slogan floating above Flex, which is airburushed out of the cover for vol 4 of Doom Patrol as far as I know.

808 the Bassking (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 7 January 2007 02:40 (seventeen years ago) link

The latest All Star Superman is quite poignant, in a Seaguy kind of way.

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 7 January 2007 10:18 (seventeen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

Don't know if the Doom Patrol TV show is being talked about, I'm five episodes in and it's surprisingly wonderful. It draws heavily on the Morrison run without being at all slavish to it.

chap, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

i love it!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 November 2020 05:25 (four years ago) link

Yeah, a real and unexpected success.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 12 November 2020 05:27 (four years ago) link

Are any of the other DC shows on a similar level?

chap, Thursday, 12 November 2020 09:21 (four years ago) link

Wondered if this revive was for this recent story - interesting in the light of discussion on the Invisibles thread:

https://comicbook.com/irl/news/grant-morrison-non-binary-revelation/

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 November 2020 10:02 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

The nurse in the background of this video felt like a bit of a clue

https://movingimage.nls.uk/film/2323

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 January 2021 14:38 (three years ago) link

Amazing

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 29 January 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link

OMG amazing to see the old original Rat Records in the Virginia Galleries, good memories!

Maresn3st, Friday, 29 January 2021 16:16 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

Breakfast of Champions! https://t.co/taKBmvQLFj

— Grant Morrison (@grantmorrison) January 17, 2023

death generator (lukas), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 21:54 (one year ago) link

one of the best self-contained superman series!

mh, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 22:10 (one year ago) link

Yes, if only it could get the attention of a director already attached to a Superman movie ...

death generator (lukas), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 23:58 (one year ago) link

a twelve-chapter movie with every frame photographed individually by a scottish bloke named vince

more crankable (sic), Wednesday, 18 January 2023 04:26 (one year ago) link

just saw the tweet full-sized and the binding is giving me heart palpitations

more crankable (sic), Thursday, 19 January 2023 07:15 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

I re-read the first volume of The Invisibles over the weekend. It was good to be immersed in that world and the riot of Morrison's mind but I'd forgotten just how scatty it was. The Shelley section was probably my least favourite but I can't remember how it blossoms so we'll see.

This will depend on your Rushkoff tolerance but I enjoyed this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5McAIWdHtg

In the interview, he mentions his writing for Happy and Brave New World. Has anyone seen these? Worth watching?

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 11 November 2024 09:42 (three days ago) link

former had some moments although I didn’t finish it until much later. the latter was, to my recollection, a pretty straightforward modernized and streamlined version of Huxley’s novel and I found it passable-to-entertaining

Happy! was an adaptation of a Morrison comic that kind of felt like he was doing a Garth Ennis/Mark Millar madcap violence shtick for some reason

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 11 November 2024 14:01 (three days ago) link

Really cool episode of QAA recently with guests Ben Clarkson and Matt Bors talking about Grant Morrison and chaos magick. In additionally to selling me on their own book, Justice Warriors, it got me curious about Morrison's Batman run.

You're supposed to go to Heaven, ideally not Las Vegas (bernard snowy), Monday, 11 November 2024 14:15 (three days ago) link

The Batman run is good! Gets hijacked at the end by some weird scheduling and working around the fact DC was in the middle of one of their multiple continuity reboots at the time. But by that point, the main plot arc was done and it was basically bonus Damian/al Ghul content that was a sidebar in the main story

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 11 November 2024 14:19 (three days ago) link

Happy! was an adaptation of a Morrison comic that kind of felt like he was doing a Garth Ennis/Mark Millar madcap violence shtick for some reason

They. Morrison is enby.

More Cumin Than Cumin (Leee), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 17:57 (two days ago) link

2022, referring to 2020:

“I said that if I had been doing now what I was doing back in the 1990s I would be viewed as non-binary or gender queer. Suddenly it was taken up by the fan press and I was awarded the label ‘they/them’. I never asked for it. I come from a generation where that just doesn’t matter, even being labelled at all is anathema to me.”

Morrison has since come around to preferring "they," but

October 2023:

“When I see people online correcting others for using the ‘wrong’ pronouns in relation to me, I’ll admit I recoil.”

et a earwig (sic), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 18:55 (two days ago) link

The Shelley section was probably my least favourite but I can't remember how it blossoms so we'll see.


Otm. I started a thread reviewing the Invisibles issue by issue but dropped it cos I’m lazy but I think I’m going to go back and finish it. That Shelley plot is really a drag though. I think about volume 1 & every time I’m starting it I’m like, volume 2 is all that terrible Boy goes to the other side plot, but volumes 1 & 3 are solid. And I forget about the Shelley stuff every fucking time!

gyac, Tuesday, 12 November 2024 19:37 (two days ago) link

xxp my bad! I either forgot or did not realize

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 19:39 (two days ago) link

Has Morrison written anything good recently? I've lost touch with his output since DC derailed his Batman stuff with their stupid universe reboot #47.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 21:15 (two days ago) link

(This is not me snidely saying he's no good--at one time he was my favourite comics writer--just that I'm out of touch!)

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 21:16 (two days ago) link

Thanks for the Happy/BNW info, mh!

I don't know that I would ever call Morrison a master of tone, but the Shelley stuff is hard to fathom beyond 'here's a bunch of stuff I read about'. I guess his sex cult thing is a mirror of De Sade in some way but eh.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Tuesday, 12 November 2024 21:38 (two days ago) link


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