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We've had a couple of threads about our own turns on the boards, but does anyone here go to the theatre regularly? Would you consider yourself a fan of modern theatre? I recently saw a showcase of new writers at the Royal Court, and with a few honourable exceptions I thought it was a bit poor. The West End is in the shit as well. I suppose the question is...
Can anyone convince me of the (artistic? political?) importance of the Theatre? I am sceptical

Will, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

New answers.

Will, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

surely your time in the West Essex Rep and your honourable part in 84 Charing Cross Road were enough to convince you that theatre is the lifeblood of the nation Will? :)

i don't go as often as i like but i think that theatre is hugely unappreciated. the last time i went was with DG and RickyT and LC to see the Jacqueline Susann biography thing - it was briliant.

katie, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I love smallscale productions of modernist plays, or modernist smallscale productions of Elizabethan/Jacobean plays. There was a great theatre company here in Dublin that did lots of these, but they seem to have given up.

This means that now I never go to the theatre.

DV, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Live acting surely must be something worth saving.

Ronan, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

My time in the West Essex Rep was a big influence in my asking this question, Katie! ;-). It just struck me as wierd that we start a lot of threads about new films, and hardly any about current plays (I know this is due to the ILE population being globally-dispersed and all, but still...)

Will, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"Monkey: A Tale From China" was fantastic. Did you get to see it in the end, Jonnie? The martial arts were nothing short of breathtaking throughout, and the cloudfighting scenes were pretty sharp as well.

Anything that mixes intense gratuitious bouts of combat with Buddhism and philosophy gets my seal of approval. It embraced Brecht's concept of community theatre by combining the trivial with the profound.

Trevor, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The Wiosdom of Bert Kwouk: "Learning about Buddhism from television entertainment programmes is a dangerous thing" (I Love 1979, BBC2, 2000)

mark s, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'm going to go see Monkey some time next week with a critical eye (I am a bit obsessed with versions of the original which I have read in about fifteen different translations). Looks cool though.

I like the theatre a lot, but go less than I would like (lack of theatre buds with cash, not easily drop-in-able as cinema). I also think that cinema has changed the way we see plays, and often as not plays have a hard time in bringing up what they are good at. Yes there is an awful lot of revivalism in the West End, but even having two or three good contemporary theatres to be used as feeders for decent West End productions (the ALmeida, Royal Court, fringe like The Kings Head) makes London a very vibrant place. But are you really going to risk a tenner on a fringe play which odds are will be cramped, poorly staged and probably badly written? I know I got burnt twice in a week twoi years ago and having put my head into a fringe theatre since.

Pete, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

LC = theatre geek so I regularly get dragged along.

DG, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

'Lack of theatre buds with cash' - I wonder why (with cinema, too) there is an expectation that you're not to watch things on your own? Its not as if you're going to the theatre/cinema with the explicit aim of socialising - you won't even be talking to your mates for most of the evening. I don't mind going to the cinema on my own, certai

Will, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I am going to see the National Theatre of Brent's The Wonder of Sex tonight. Has anyone seen it, or anything else by them? It sounds quite funny.

Sam, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

-- The Wiosdom of Bert Kwouk: "Learning about Buddhism from television entertainment programmes is a dangerous thing"

Mark, you seem to be forgetting that the story of Monkey is one of the oldest and most important in Chinese culture. The story of Tripitaka's journey from China to India to collect Buddhist scriptures is based on an identical journey undertaken by a Chinese priest, Hsuan Tsang, around 600AD.

The "modern" version of the story was written by Wu Cheng-en in the 16th century.

The television entertainment programme came some years later.

Trevor, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I regularly go to the cinema on my own (Christ I'm going in about half an hour), but I've always felt theatre to be more social. Maybe its the interval drinks. Maybe its because the real live actors can see me on my tod? Theatre is supposed to be more dangerous, maybe I want someone to hold my hand.

Artistic, political importance of theatre. Well in Western world its pretty much as a feeder for cinema now. However in more oppressive regimes theatre - in its very small scale local sense, can be the only route of satire, political discussion etc (look at the Czechoslovakia under communism).

Pete, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hi Sam, the NT Brent is a comedy duo, and they did some quite funny stuff on Radio 4. They have quite a good reputation, although I've never 'seen' any of their stuff.

Will, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Offer a toffee to the person next to you and the actors will never know you are all alone. The theatre in London is too expensive and the seats are too uncomfortable and as Pete says it is less pop- inable than the cinema.

Emma, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

NT of Brent have done a fair bit of TV in their time - their French Revloution thing was very good. Jim Broadbent used to be the foil to Desmond Oliver Dingle, but its some other chap now. The Sex thing has had very mixed reviews though. Best if you like silly I guess.

The seats thing scares loads of people off. You pay fifteen quid to end up in a cramped seat somewhere in the gods. More realistic pricing, but I am assuming the current prices exist as a fair reflection of what the shows cost. But I've never understood why two men, or one man plays shouldn't be cheaper (Stones in Their Pockets f'rinstance - two blokes, no set, where's your overheads?)

Pete, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"Mark, you seem to be forgetting…"

Don't blame me for Kwouk's excellent mentalism. He was on TV when he said it. IN FACT HE WAS ON "I LOVE 1979"!!

mark s, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think it's the same cost (more or less) in West End Shows, Pete, because things like FOH/theatre staff and space hire are pretty much fixed costs and, like all shows, they often can't guarantee constant audiences from one week to another. Might that be it? The fact that they might be greedy buggers might creep into the equation, too...

Will, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"Don't blame me for Kwouk's excellent mentalism. He was on TV when he said it. IN FACT HE WAS ON "I LOVE 1979"!!"

That's not entertainment, that's nostalgia on a tight budget.

Trevor, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

How much for a ticket to see a West End show? Here in NY it's $60 minimum for the worst seats in the house unless you can stand in line for 2 or 3 hours in the middle of the day to get "same-day" $20 tickets. Which you may not get. Fuck theater if it can't price itself competitively with box seats at Yankee Stadium.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

it entertained me

mark s, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hey Tracer - about £15 (student) - £60 (top seat to Les Mis). No wonder the theatre is dwindling among young audiences...

Will, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

But the Royal Court holds back about a dozen bench tickets costing just 10p each day that you can queue for. I don't know if any other theatres do this.

N., Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Yes 'N', the Royal Court is only established and well-funded London theatre really trying to inject a bit of new work, new writing and new audiences into 'the Theatre'. But are they succeeding?

With very few noble exceptions (eg 'Further than the Furthest Thing') everything I've seen at the RC has been written by fairly well-off young people trying to be 'real' and 'working class' and it just seems a bit fake and repetitive to me. The best example of this I suppose is 'Shopping and Fucking' by Ravenhill. Which I thought was rubbish.

Will, Friday, 4 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

why the hell would anyone want to see an andrew lloyd webber musical? I'd rather go to the dentist...only they have started playing riverdance as entertainment Arghhhh!

Menelaus Darcy, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Fair enough. I saw something v.good there a while ago but I've forgotten what it was now. I have a feeling it wasn't a new play though. They tend to be rubbish, in my limited experience. I know most films are too, but they're cheaper and less effort and somehow I trust the critics more (or maybe just know how to glean the truth from a set of film reviews in a way I don't when it comes to theatre).

Don't most West End theatres offer standbys quite cheap?

N., Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Surely someone who has won 70 grand on BBIII can afford proper tickets? Even a box?

Emma, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The bank refused to give me an advance on the money. Assholes.

N., Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I wonder if NZ's own roger hall will creep his way to the west end with another of his lame comedies? And yet they all get record breaking runs because they have a few sheep and sex jokes or something.

BTW can anyone tell me what is the deal with the mousetrap? is it still going? and who is the villain so I dont have to see it :)

Menelaus Darcy, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

It's still going cause it long ago reached the point where it became a shite tourist attraction just for being the longest running show in the world. You probably get a joint ticket with Madame Tussaud's or something. I thought the butler did it, but I don't know and I really don't care.

N., Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

it's the detective, isn't it? or the author? or the audience? anyway it was pomo-avant-le-lettre

mark s, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I thought that was the Murder of Roger Ackroyd?

N., Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link


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