Old keyboards and synths!!

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I saw a casio cz 101 in a shop the other day. I went to the cash point and took out the £150 in cash I needed. But then the voice of reason said "you have 3 keyboards already, you don't need this"...and so I staggered away from the shop (and spent half the money on CDs). So, my question is: should I have bought it?? Is the CZ101 any good?

And: What keyboards do you own?, what ones do you want? etc...

jel, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i cannot play keyboard but i have a great deal of fun with my bandmate's Juno 60. wheeewhooooshhhbrrrrrrrrr! etc etc...

katie, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Being one of the spiritual fathers of Casiocore, I can tell you that the CZ101 is a fun thing. I used one on my records from 1993-7. What's good about it is that you can get into the sounds and edit them pretty easily, making some extremely odd noises. I used to store my sounds on an Atari computer with software called CZ Edit.

I remember seeing Beck doing some incredible things with a battered, gaffer-taped CZ101 in Paris in 1995. He was running fat bass sounds through heavy distortion and it really rocked.

I abandoned my CZ when I got into analogue synths. Now I lust after the Korg string machine Laurie Anderson used in her early recordings.

Momus, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

(WELCOME HOME MOMUS) I USE A CASIO HZ 600. THEY ARE VERY VERY RARE AND IT IS VERY MOOGY. BUY IT JEL

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I want a Farfisa. I'm playing a mini compact Farfisa now that belongs to someone else. i love it and want to buy one of my own.

Samantha, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i have a rhythmic 6.

di, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

CZ101 is a fantastic little board, but 150 ukp seems a bit steep to me. I'd pay 75-90 for one. The later VZ1/VZ10m is a development of the CZ range, and makes nice plasticy spacey sounds. You can get them really cheap, tho' a komputer editor is pretty much essential. Why don't I get all boastful. I have an EMS synthi that used to belong to niki turner from hawkwind, a Fender Chroma, A korg lambda string machine, a little roland monosynth, and a bunch of other bits & pieces I've accumulated over thee years. It was nice when U could get such stuff cheap (EMS cost me 250 ukp when I bought it) Now a lot of old instruments are "collecktors" stuff w/prices to match (sigh) thus is the poor musician disenfranchised from decent gear. About thee only thing I'd buy now is a RMI keyboard computer as used by Roger Powell from Utopia. I am a total synth geek, I'm afraid, and I hope this thread "keeps on keeping on" ;-)

Norman Phay, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

duckling plays a casiotone

di, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

An EMS?Shit!If I had keyboard wishes,I'd wish for a Mellotron (natch),an Ondes Martenot,quite likely,and one of those ARP synths would be tasty too.VCS3?Yeah,why not?

Damian, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I've got a Roland Strings (sounds kinda cute and cheesy) and a Casio (can't remember the exact model number) which has some neat rhythms in it.

I'd love a Farfisa one of these days. and one of those ARP synths like wot Andrew Prinz from Mahogany uses. Mmmm.

electric sound of jim, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Have I mentioned how I probably should have got that Jen Synthetone SX-1000 I saw for thirty-five quid once? Sigh. I miss my parents' Baldwin Fanfare electric organ which they got rid of, too, but I didn't use it much and I can get much the same noises out of Native Instruments' B4 VSTi anyway, it's just that Buzz's VST support isn't great.

If anyone has a cupboard full of Farfisa Duo Compact combo organs that need rehoming, well, I could probably bring myself to assist... (what do you mean, just owning a Farfisa wouldn't magically turn me into Laetitia Sadier as she was 8 years ago? Oh. Oh well.)

Rebecca, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I have that Jen Synthetone! But I paid 120 uk pounds.

I met a guy who bought a reconditioned Fairlight for 2000 uk pounds. He seemed totally happy with it. You draw the wave forms you want on the screen with a light pen! It's all green vector graphics like Tron!

Momus, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

rockit

mike hanle y, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I have a Yamaha CS-5, a Yamaha CS-40M, a Teisco 607, an Etherwave theremin, a stylophone and a Casiotone 403. One of these days I'll get round to recording my masterpiece...!

The Casiotone's obviously terrible but makes a great sound source.

I would love to get my hands on an Optigan:

http://www.optigan.com/

but I've never seen one come up for sale in the UK.

The old EMS synths are great:

http://www.ems- synthi.demon.co.uk/

and still seem to be being made.

Other highlights:

The Vostok:

http://listen.to/concussor/

which is like a Synthi for the 21st Century

Bob Moog's new Minimoog:

http://www.bigbriar.com/cgi- local/SoftCart.100.exe/spec/voyager.html? L+scstore+nnxs3446ffa73aa7+1024011012

The Andromeda from Alesis:

http://www.alesis.com/produc ts/a6/

and the Doepfer A100:

http://www.doepfer.com/a100e.h tm

Mmm, goodies...

By the way, this is my first post to I Love Music!

Robbie

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Robbie Baldock, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i HAD a casio ps-1. but tom and ed took it apart to 'circuit-bend' (tr. =fuck it up like lamers) it. it was my first ever present i am still very hurt. i posted something about russian synth web sites on ilm ages ago but no one took any notice of it.

ambrose, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

OH I so want an optigan as well! I love synths and old keyboards but have nowhere near the amount of knowledge that any of you do haf yah boo suXoR. Although Robbie, I saw your website absolutely ages ago and it was fantastic! There's some great stuff about Freedesign on there! Did you have a radio show of some sorts, a while back as well? Admittedly I may be thinking about someone else here. This board is actually I Love Everything. But we're better than THEM.

Sarah, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I really want a Radioshack Moog and the Casio Vocoder. I'm pretty sure they exist! Oh and this Suzuki chord generator/ zither that has been a shop window on charing cross road for about a year!

jel, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Sarah -

Yes, I used to do a show on occasional student radio station Fresh Air FM:

http://www.freshairfm.co.uk/

The show was called Moon Base Alpha:

http://www.rcb.easynet.co.u k/space/

and was an extension of a club I used to run here in Edinburgh called Space Safari...

The station is back on the air in May - hopefully I'll be on again.

In the meantime there's an archived show on Live365:

http://www.live365.com/

(search for "bongoboy")

So this is ILE? What a terrible faux pas - I'll try not to make that mistake again...


Robbie "Mr Links" Baldock

Robbie Baldock, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

THE "RADIO SHACK " MOOG IS THE CONCERTMATE, WHICH IS LIKE THE MOOG ROUGE.

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

yep Mike, you're right!...They are cheap (for Moogs!)!!

I am jealous of the amount of recording and music making stuff this woman has! ...lalala>/a>

This is good music (sorry, can only find sites in German) barbara morgenstern

I have:
1. Casitone MT-400v = great keyboard! If you set the buttons right, it can do glitch!
2. Concertmate 500 = sampling keyboard, doesn't store samples, but oh well
3. Casio VLtone = looks like an old fashioned pencil box, has calculator function with which 'weird' sounds can be created.
4. Casio Pt 10 = very basic.

Cool links Robbie!

Thanx for your answers everyone!

jel, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Opps, I knew I would mess up my links...the second one should be:

bm

Please work.

jel, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Hello and welcome, Robbie. I too visited your website a few times ages ago, I can't remember why but I think it involved Peng! list and Farfisas.

I saw one of those autochord/zither things cheap too: it's (probably) a Suzuki Omnichord. I was tempted but decided it didn't actually sound very useful, which of course meant that a fortnight later I heard an awesome track by Pram featuring much Omnichord action. But I think I'm glad I didn't get it, it's not very versatile, and anyway there were two issues where the second issue (IIRC) had midi and looked vaguely professional and had loads of new features, and this was the first issue, which basically screamed My First Naff Eighties Bleepy Toy. But the strum bar was cool. I like the concept of strumming a synth.

Plus now I have so many softsynths I hardly use real gear any more anyway, hence my Juno-6 is mainly gathering dust. I have a late 80s Casio home keyboard, which doesn't really count, but I'd like to use it as a midi controller, except I can't persuade it to talk midi to anything I own and I don't know if it's the keyboard's fault or my soundcard or the cable or just that I don't know what I'm doing (which I don't, and I have no manual for the keyboard, but I figured out how to switch between midi channels and turn local on and off, so I spent ages trying all the different combinations, and still nothing).

I am dead impressed by the concept of having a Fairlight in your own home. It must take up an entire room. I'd like to play around with a Motorola Scalatron; I don't know why, since I don't understand microtonic music and have never made any except some rather dodgy pitch-bend drone experiments years ago, but I like the name and I feel it might be an instant route to avant-garde credibility, or something.

Rebecca, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

At this point, the only working synth I still have is a Micromoog. And I don't really treat it as much as a synth but a little space noise box.

Sigh. I've had to recently compromise, and not buy anymore synths, no matter how tempting. I find myself getting tired of a particular synth sound once I play it with for an extended period of time, and it just doesn't justify the space that it takes up in my life as it stands now. Although computer emulations are always inferior, I have to stick with that route for now, unless I soon cohabitate with a vintage synth freak.

Hi Robbie and Rebecca! Stereolab listers take over!

Brian MacDonald, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I WISH SOME COMPANY WOUDL MAKE A DIGITAL RE-MAKE OF A CLASSIC LIKE THE ARP ODESSY . THEY COULD MAKE THE OUTSIDE LOOK THE SAME BUT MAKE THE REST DIGITAL. IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY HCEAPER AND PEOPLE WOULD BUY THEM . ANY ONE OWN A NORD LEAD?

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

five years pass...

further to the EMS vcs3/synthi discussion that took place on some completely unrelated thread, australian friend has just sent me a copy of What The Future Sounded Like which is a 30 minute australian(?) documentary about EMS. first couple of minutes looks great.

trailer and dodgy old ems adverts here:
http://www.myspace.com/whatthefuturesoundedlike
www.whatthefuturesoundedlike.com

warning: contains a vcs3 made of cake!

koogs, Thursday, 20 September 2007 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Pash, I saw your Chroma demo on Matrixsynth recently. Sounds nice!

naus, Friday, 21 September 2007 04:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a Roland String Machine, a Farfisa mini compact, and an Oberheim 4vs that is being resurrected after being shot and left in an alley (!!!).

John Justen, Friday, 21 September 2007 04:58 (seventeen years ago) link

aw, nice that this thread gives props to the cz101

i really want to find old carlo robelli synths (sam ash house brand) from the 80s if anyone knows anything...

bell_labs, Friday, 21 September 2007 05:02 (seventeen years ago) link

my favorite old synths are my omnichord, and various concertmate and yamaha ps series

bell_labs, Friday, 21 September 2007 05:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, this would probably be a good thread to give huge endorsement to one of the coolest guys I know, Scott, who does a DIY uber obscure hand-built module business here: http://www.bridechamber.com/. Super awesome, super geeky, also the poor soul that is helping me ressurrect the aforementioned Oberheim.

Hopefully Pash will read this (well duh, of course he will) because I promised to send him a link to this page a few months ago and promptly forgot.

John Justen, Friday, 21 September 2007 05:10 (seventeen years ago) link

80s analogue

rrrobyn, Friday, 21 September 2007 08:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Shot-up Oberheim? Good times. I used to have a Farfisa Compact I bought off of this guy in Denver for $25 back in 1994. It was great until all the C keys died.

At this point, the only old keyboards I own are a Korg MS-20 and an ARP Axe with broken envelopes (but the filter works fine).

Bill in Chicago, Friday, 21 September 2007 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I've got a KORG Mono/Poly and a Yamaha SY1.
http://www.synrise.de/images/yamaha-sy1.jpg
Love this guy!

Trip Maker, Friday, 21 September 2007 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Mono/Poly is my dream synth. Right now I've got a Juno-106, Akai AX-80, bunch of grooveboxes, drum machines, and old toy Casios (SK-1, SK-5, PT-10, and RapMan). Used to have a CZ-3000 and was just getting to know the ins and outs of it before it died (kept powering off intermittently and didn't know how/have the money to fix). CZs are great and would love to get another.

BTW, does anyone know if the MS-2000 can do the Mono/Poly trick of setting the arpeggiator to cycle through each oscillator?

naus, Saturday, 22 September 2007 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I love my Mono/Poly. What I really want now is an old Oberheim synth.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Saturday, 22 September 2007 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link

whoa, this thread is teh weesome

im still partial to the jx-3p meself

the sir weeze, Saturday, 22 September 2007 04:05 (seventeen years ago) link

plus: its fun reading momus's posts while listening to his momus voice in my head

the sir weeze, Saturday, 22 September 2007 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Capitaine, get one Matrix 1000 and an editor. Not super old but still a classic oberheim sound and you can pick those up for 150$ or less. I've been meaning to get one.

dan selzer, Saturday, 22 September 2007 05:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks Dan. I shall look into this...

Capitaine Jay Vee, Saturday, 22 September 2007 07:37 (seventeen years ago) link


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