Defend the Indefensible: Obama will turn USA in a SOCIALIST country?

"Yep."

Socialism has done many good things to my country.

"I don't think you understand the word 'socialism'."

"Go fuck yourself."

give them Tuomas's phone number and email so he can enumerate all the good things socalism has done to Finland

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Without socialism I don't think Finland would have free education on all levels and government allowances for all students, so it would've been rather unlikely for a poor working class kid like me to go the university.

if only.

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lolz new joker slow clap

I don't think you understand the concept, Defend the Indefensible.

I would call Tuomas! Except I don't think Vonage is free there.

No, the capitalists still own the phone companies.

Oops I meant HERE. I can call some places in Europe for free but not Finland.

You can make free calls in America? What kind of a capitalist country is that? Sounds like SOCIALISM to me!

Is this the using words at random with no relation to their definition thread?

Someone 'splain how multi-billion federal bail outs & subsidies to private interests who then refuse regulation is not socialism.

Is this the using words at random with no relation to their definition thread?

americans talking about socialism lol

Also Finns

Someone 'splain how multi-billion federal bail outs & subsidies to private interests who then refuse regulation is not socialism.

no no that's kleptocracy. a fine system with a proud heritage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

here you go, kingfish

too long. Someone distill it down for me into 10 syllables exactly. Use any punctuation you want. (25 pts)

For extra credit, phrase it as either a haiku (5 pts) or a limerick (8 pts)

DNFTT

Rather, _in addition_, phrase it as either a haiku or a limerick

Also Finns

If free edcuation and income transfers to the poor aren't socialism, what is?

Here's a defense for you - it's a nice thing to say to get under the skin of delusional, self-hating, eleutherophobic white people

Kingfish: I can explain it to you with this.

The US has a lot of trademarks of "socialism" anyway, depending on what state your in. In New Jersey, schools, roads, blah blah blah, are all funded by taxpayers, including the most generous unemployment benefits in the US. Of course the official state pass time is bitching and moaning about high taxes, so there you go. What people take for granted is, NJ public schools are the top in the nation, etc. etc. States that are less "socialist" have the worst schools, health systems, etc.

What foreigners don't realize is that the US is starkly different depending on what state you're in.

I like life!

If free edcuation and income transfers to the poor aren't socialism, what is?

Those things are perfectly conceivable within non-Socialist states. Conceivable because they exist, like.

public works /= socialism and have been the purview of governments ever since there were governments

when McCainites say this they don't mean shit, it's just trolling. you say "oh, you're just saying that because you like the way it sounds," and then make fart noises when a cupped hand & armpit 'til they go away.

when = with

wtf is wrong with my typing these days

ask them for the particulars of this socialist project.

your "he will and he won't" answer is kind of dim, btw

Dude even my HARD-FUCKING-CORE dad & bro are for socialized health care (but still McCainites) (tho orig Romneymaniacs) (dad NB is dude who said FDR ruined our country forever by making it socialist).

Your dad is right.

Not about McCain - about FDR.

McCain can eat a big fat dick too as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, fucking commienazi

Your dad is right.

-- If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, August 4, 2008 4:39 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

yah country was so great in the pre-fdr 30s

The problem is the capitalist farmers, see. The farmer lobby is internationally so strong, they get all sorts of benefits and subsidies from govts. Then they gripe about their taxes paying for health care for the poor etc.

Ummmm... I'm so confused about what Americans consider is socialism.

Obama /= Frank Field

There are a number of people who consider everything socialism.

that's the problem, what isn't socialism in America? The main things...

slavery

stabbing hobos

Obama turning USA into Socialism sounds good on paper...

Joe Bageant wrote about how the vast majority of Americans have a 6th Grade-level understanding of modern economics, which can feed into the usual mess of market idolatry that we already have. Massive ignorance over economic systems and American history feeds into this shit, where you have douchbags constantly repping Adam Smith and decrying communism when any sane or sensible public interaction with the rules that our constructed markets have.

Kingfish, do you have a link to that? Was it an article? I'd love to read it.

In his last book, I think. Lemme see here...

http://www.joebageant.com/ is his blog/lettercol.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51hRJOpHNDL._SS500_.jpg

is the american cover,

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CU6qh04AL._SS500_.jpg

is the UK one.

lolz re: taglines

I like the UK cover more :(

Difference in subtitles is uh interesting.

"the lacerating fury of Hunter S. Thompson"

That is what it says...

"if assholes could fly..." ought to read some history books that don't begin with the words "the politically incorrect guide to..."

Socialism is a bygone term anyhow

Tell that to Zapatero.

Unless you mean that it's a term which is no longer useful. I think may be true in America where I have heard it used to decribe anybody left of Reagan (including Nixon).

I still definbe myself as a socialist. I'm guessing that anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist isn't going to swayed by any argument.

(any argument) to the contrary.

If free edcuation and income transfers to the poor aren't socialism, what is?

Those things are perfectly conceivable within non-Socialist states. Conceivable because they exist, like.

Maybe so, but what's your definition of "socialism" then, when talking about modern Western countries?

Anyway, my main point was, that in post-war Finland (as well as in other Nordic countries) it was the social democrats, other socialists, and communists who were mainly responsible for getting us things like free universal healthcare, childcare, and education, income transfers to the poor via progressive taxation and other means, etc. I don't think the Finnish right-wing parties supported these changes the same way socialists did. These days the Social Democratic Party has moved towards the center, and I'm sure many of its MPs don't call themselves socialists anymore, but that certainly wasn't the case when the Finnish welfare state was built.

jesus, i heard some idiot and his wife using variations of "barack HUSSEIN obama will TURN AMERICA INTO A SOCIALIST COUNTRY" in the booth next to ours at dinner. hazard of eating in jersey diners, i guess.

IT'S JUST LIKE VOTING FOR SADDAM HUSSEIN!!!

"Why do all these socialists keep sucking my cock"

thought it was YOUR TAX MONEYS

yeah, it really bothers me that there is nothing you can say to a McCain about any of Obama's stances that they can prove bad in some way. Then it's the counter arguments that I have trouble with. "Socialism is better..." - there's nothing to say that sounds pleasing about any of Obama's issues because they have a counter argument for everything. I no longer no how to argue politics or have any proof why Obama will be better.

fan* know*

Ron Paul on Colbert Report in a hilarious/bittersweet example of some weird views on what constitutes 'socialism.'

(Starts at 4 minutes in w/"raise your hand" part)

Fuck you, department of eduction!

McCain can eat a big fat dick too as far as I'm concerned.

Nothing personal, but statements like this are from the same school as "Barack HUSSEIN Obama will turn the US into socialist country."

You get the government you deserve, Americans.

it's the rest of the world that doesn't deserve the government we get