Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.

What's tha deally "i net fam"(had to quote that)... because I don't wanna make Q upset now, Do I?

On the really fam, this thread is dyin' slowly, fuck it, this mothafucka's on life support.....but like I said I'm goin' to rep it 'til it's death.

Aight, I see a new topic was bought up in Marshall Mathers bein' the best rapper alive? O.k., o.k. Eminem is nice with his, but I wouldn't give duke the title. I mean there is no doubt that his lyricism and flow are amongst today's finest, but dun does get mad CORNY at times. I tend to turn away from this dude when he makes garbage like "Guess Who's Back", or when he starts spittin' about dead animals and cannibals etc....I feel that duke is a better battle emcee than he is a complete emcee because as I listen to his lp's his subject matter is mad limited. I mean he only talks about himself bein' caucasian and excellin' at an African American art form, or he denounces his family(moms, wife).....shit gets borin' at times. You niggaz know who I feel is the true recipient of this award, and I have reasons to back GOD SON up....so try me

Also, I wouldn't call this guy the "WHITE PAC" because the only things that he borrowed from Pac is his emotion on tracks because his lyrics and flow are way better than Pac's, and Em has a life of controversy that is similar to Pac's. Other than that.......NADA!! And really, you dudes say that Pac is the G.O.A.T. I just wanna know your reasons for THINKING this. I mean come on his LYRICS were STINK, the only album where he came off LYRICALLY was "The Seven Day Theory", and then you still heard the typical...."ENEMIES", "HENESSEY", "ADVISARIES" etc... The only way I can think of dude bein' above the competition is that he showcased more emotions on his joints than anyone else. But again, if that's the case then Ja Rule or DMX should be considered the G.O.A.T. because they too can SCREAM and YELL on their joints.....This is just a thought and my opinion, so you EXTREME DIE HARD Pac fans don't get all gassed and want to take yourselves out or anything of that nature.....

Well that does it for me today.....so until next time......I 1000....**as I leave the scene the crowd is STILL chantin' MVP, MVP, MVP**

"act konceited, increase stash, and embarrass these vets is my motto"- MVP

"Now let me let u niggaz know one thing/ there's only one life, one love, so there can only be ONE KING"-Nas

Everybody's got mad opinions about Eminem, which is cool, but the only one I am sort of feeling is "There ain't no best." True, it all depends on what you like. Some might say Nelly is the best. Some say Luda. Some do a 180 and go for Nas and Jay. Still, I say Eminem is the best. Eminem has the wickedest wordplay and the best delivery and his topics are decent. So what, Eminem might talk about some off the wall Jerry Springer shit? Damn, that just shows his versatility. How many other rappers can rap about fucking a horse on the Sabbath and sacrificing a baby to Fat Bastard and still sell more than two albums? Hell, probably not any (ask D-12)! No other rapper comes close to being able to spit like Em and have the masses feel him. He's the White Pac. There isn't a rapper alive that could tangle with this cat in a lyrical battle. NOT A RAPPER ALIVE...

Damn, Best, how many times can you bring up that hennesy/ememy garbage? I've seen it as many times as I've seen "dun!" Instead of saying that, why don't you note the songs where he says the hennessy/enemy lyrics? Damn, it's no different from GOD DAUGHTER saying, "I'm the N the A the S-I-R, if I wasn't I must have been Escobar!" Damn, Nasty, we know you're Nasir! We heard you on Get Me- self A Glock... or was that You're Da Man? Who knows? They're the exact same damn song with just different beats. Just because Pac didn't exhibit the type of lyrics you (you, that's who) find valuable, doesn't mean he lyrically "stinks." As a matter of fact, I bet a lot of these niggas who find Nas "deep" probably don't even know what the hell he is talking about. Why don't you explain to everybody your favorite Nas quote... oops, let me be more specific cause there's probably 7,129. Explain "I saw a dead bird flyin through a broken sky." A lot of these folks be like "Nas is so deep" simply because they don't actually understand him. A nigga can say something like, "A dead lion held the head of my black people/so I took his head and sacrificed it in a black steeple//now my people are gazing at broken skies/broken dreams, broken promises, but well- kept lies..." Hey, that's actually good. Damn, I'm tight... But my point is, does anybody get that? Well, if you do, you're an idiot cause I didn't say shit. But it sounds deep, right? Not saying that nobody in here actually gets the deep Nas lyrics, I'm just saying I bet 75% of Nas's stans have no idea what he is talking about, but it doesn't sound "watered down" so they flock to this cat. Get real. Nas has no real on mic skills and just impresses small-minded morons with big words and poetic-LOOKING (emphasis on looking) phrases.

3:16, I ain't trying to discredit you, but to say AZ might join the ROC is hard to swallow. You can feel me on that. I looked on the site but couldn't find. Not saying it was there, but you have been known to talk about imaginary family members (lol)... Jokes! I got em!

Y'all niggas NEED to hear Mr. Bigg "Time To Go To Trial." It is pure unbridled comedy at it's finest. Has anybody heard it yet? And another thing... LMAO @ Big J's August 1 post!!!

Oh yeah, Best, since I have now lifted the ban on you, I will go ahead and let you have all the Nchekwube Anonymous comments and B2K comments and B2K's associates. If them four little B2K boys and their associates are your stans, then you can have em. And you can call me an emotional wreck all you want, cuzzin. You can have that. But dun, duke, herb, whammy, sex nigga, etc........... HOW YOU GON DISS MY INTRO?! Aw naw, hell naw, Best, you done up and done it! Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and EVERYBODY (especially you and your associates) has imitated (but never duplicated) my outro. And believe me, I don't mind y'all doin "out like" stuff. It's all to the good. But "MVPee" not one of your intros has been good. FUCK OUTTA HERE with that TERRIBLE "Who is it?" GAABAGE! Didn't you learn from it when Qool clowned you in your first encounter? FUCK OUTTA HERE with that STOLEN Bret Hart "Best there is, was, ever will be" slogan! FUCK OUTTA HERE!!! FUCK OUTTA HERE with that OVERUSED, PLAYED OUT MVP CHANT!!! WTF?! Are you some The Rock wanna be with that millions (and millions) of fans shit? FUCK OUTTA HERE with that HORRIBLE ass "and the crowd goes wild" nonsense! FUCK OUTTA HERE! WTF? And FUCK OUTTA HERE with all these UNNECESSARY capitalized words and IRRELEVANT NASIR kockblowin! FUCK OUTTA HERE with "WHOA!" FUCK OUTTA HERE! And FUCK OUTTA HERE with... uh... damn... uh... uh... uh.......... FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!

"Broken dreams, broken promises, but well-kept lies" - H3K

His persona on this thread is NOT mine horribly flipped... but he'd like it to be. HA!

I'm out like GET THE from FUCK OUTTA HERE!!! Peace!

Where are the rhymes heads? huh? oh... here they are...

What, I never, I never danced with the devil/I never, I never said I was a rebel/3:16 to another level/get set, foot on the pedal/3:16 is a lyrical syllable/3:16 its a lyrical miracle/3:16 getting political/and causing mayhem/cos i'm the lyrical gem/when I step to the mic it's all over then/MACKA setting the trend/and i'm bigging up my niggas on the worlds hottest thread

OK... I RELOADED!

Heres the bottom fucking line on the Em discussion... pay attention... Gets more attention cos he's white (regardless whether he can spit or not)... Gets more airplay cos he gets more attention... Gets more mainstream popularity cos he gets more airplay... Gets more sales cos he gets more mainstream popularity. OK hes tight, but he aint that tight.

I'm out like side, get it, OUT, SIDE. OUTSIDE.

Peace

"Niggas be too flashy, ya better learn not to quote that bullshit from Memphis/Talkin' about play yo position/Nigga I'm like a sunbeam at high noon, I'm cautioned to damage ya vision."

And niggas thought I was some God MC or some shit. I mean I have heard way better shit than that! But back to what I was saying, the example shows how people can easily get influenced by a weak metaphor or a big word. But Nas does bring it though on some tracks, no lie. Check out this song called Fetus, it really is a different concept. He talks about his Mom and his dad contemplating abortion while he is still in her womb. And he speaks through the fetus at the trails of his Mom through pregnancy. I don't like the beat, but it is something poetic and a new concept to what rap usually is.

Hollywood you actually think Nas is lyrically a "phony bastard". Come on dawg, you gassin' right? I mean I'm not goin' to knock you for your opinion, but honestly 95% of Nas's joints have some sort of concept, and the other 5% is basically him doing what everyone else in this Crap game is doin' right now and that's the infamous bragger raps.....I don't mean to get off the subject, but speakin' of bragger raps doesn't it seem like Baby from Cash Money spats the SAME FUCKIN' THING on everyone track he's featured on....."Cadillac truck on dem 23's"......FUCK OUTTA HERE!! But on the really Hollywood, you probably don't understand his rhymes because of his lyrical slang. I mean, I probably wouldn't understand wo's lyrics if I weren't from Queens because he uses slangs of which only heads from NY could understand. It's all legit son, but trust me Nas doesn't just throw "unorganized metaphors" in his bars because mad niggaz would denounce this dude.

Now movin' right along, my opinion on Sosa joinin' the ROC would be a horrible move on his part because his style wouldn't fit their criteria. I feel the only reason why Sosa would join them is to increase his income because anything with a Roc-A-Fella logo on it will more than likely sell.....just ask M Easy. He went gold(not that that's bad) but he shouldn't have even sold that much because he is UTTERLY WACK!!

Next subject....lets see....B2K....why are you "talking" to me. I thought I TOLD you that anything you say to me is irrelevent because of your considering F-A-G-O.....(you know the rest) and Nelly Nel good rappers......LMAO.....and this guy says he has a feel for good music....."I'm just kiddin' like Jason"-Nelly......WTF? Aight aight, I guess I'll respond to your blasphemy because I know your emotional/sensitive ass is goin' to be checkin' this site for my response everyday on the day on the day.....So here it is....you said that you want me to note the songs in which Pac says "HENESSEY", "ENEMIES", "ADVASARIES", and "M.O.B."....well try every fuckin' song he has ever put out with the exception of "Dear Moma" and "Brenda's Got A Baby". You see I knew of Pac way before your Country Nappy Roots Po Folks ass even had a radio to witness rap music. When Pac first hit the scene with "2Pacalypse Now" back in '92/'93 spittin' CORNY shit like "Whit my gat ENEMIES gone get checked quick/ After the scene I'ma have to hit the exit"....LMAO....Nas was only 17 years old droppin' classic shit like........ "It ain't hard to tell, I excel, then prevail/ The mic is contacted, I attract clientele// My mic check is life or death, breathin a sniper's breath/ I exhale the yellow smoke of buddha through righteous steps// Deep like The Shinin', sparkle like a diamond/ Sneak a uzi on the island in my army jacket linin// Hit the Earth like a comet, invasion/ Nas is like the Afrocentric Asian, half-man, half-amazin// Cause in my physical, I can express through song/ Delete stress like Motrin, then extend strong// I drank Moet with Medusa, give her shotguns in hell/ From the spliff that I lift and inhale, it ain't hard to tell"..........nothing Pac has ever spat can come close those bars, and the only thing that I would place against it is his verse in "Hail Mary". You must understand that Pac is OVERRATED!! Shit I have joints where him and Bigge were freestylin' together, and Biggie ripped this nigga a new asshole. Also, on "Got My Mind Made Up", Red and Meth lyrically outshined this nigga, so what in the hell makes you think he could stand a chance with Nas. Pac couldn't hold Nas's mic cord. Now don't get me wrong he was the hardest worker in the rap game making like 4 or 5 songs a day, but what's the use of makin' joints when the subject matter on each of them is going to be about dying or ridin' on your ENEMIES....once again the shit gets mad boring. O.k. o.k., he might throw in a joint like "Wonder Why They Called You Bitch", but other than that it's the same "Dear Lord don't let me die tonight" trash. And why do niggaz always wanna criticize Nas for makin' shit like "Oochie Wally" and "You Owe Me" when Pac made numerous garbage sex songs like "What's Your Phone Number" and "All About U"? But on the really, these comments are by no means to offend any of you DIE HARD PAC WORSHIPERS, but if you take it the wrong way (hint).......I don't give a damn.

Lastly B2A(drian), I could care less about a damn intro or outro. It seems like your really strivin' to win an award for this shit....LMAO....nigga your garbage.....purchase a life....go get some pussy or somethin'. You know he's a WAMMY when this nigga discusses what goes on at this site with his friends. I bet this nigga be real excited speakin' about us with his friends.....LMAO. Then the bad thing about it is that I dissed his intro and outro and called him an emotional wreck in like a post that's about 2/3 weeks old, and that post is still on his mind.....ROTFLMAO at this prick. Well that does it here for me, I think I addressed everything that I felt that needs to be addressed.....so......

**As I leave the crowd screams..."DAMN MVP, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO B2K LIKE THAT, DID YOU?**

"I was high smokin' so much la/ I saw a dead bird flyin' through a broken sky"-Nas...you can't figure that out....I see why you like Nelly.

Nothin else to say man, 3:16's eating chicken!

"3:16 is a lyrical syllable" - Macka

Peace

But since then, (was it since then?) you’ve been saying Tupac wasn’t really that good. You know you couldn’t have just changed your opinion like that. You betta explain!

Oh and, wow, you once called Nas gay?!

3:16, how in the world can Pac be overrated as a musician? This is not basketball or some kind of sport. This is music. All you have to do is listen to it. Y'all can talk about how Pac didn't do it for you personally as a musician, but to say he is overrated is pure nonsense! How can the man be overrated and still top charts more than any wanna be rapper in this day and age? 90% of the rap game is some kind of EXACT REPLICA or LAME ASS TANGENT of Tupac Shakur. Every rapper would love to do what Pac did in rap. "A few standout tracks?" Are you serious? "Dear Mama" "Me Against The World" "I Get Around" "Pain" "Ambitionz Az A Ridah" "Hit Em Up" "Brenda's Got A Baby" "All About U" "Smile" "Got My Mind Made Up" "Keep Ya Head Up" "2 Of Amerika's Most Wanted" "No More Pain" "Heartz of Men" "Life Goes On" "California Love" "Soldier Story" "Let's Get It On" "Thug Luv" "Holla At Me" "I Ain't Mad At Cha" "All Eyez On Me" "Rather Be Ya N.I.G.G.A." "Toss It Up" "Hail Mary" "Bomb First" "Blasphemy" "Krazy" "Me And My Girlfriend" "Against All Odds" "Fuckin With The Wrong Nigga" "Thug Passion" "Picture Me Rollin" "Fuck Y'all" "Do For Love" "Changes" "I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto" "White Man's World" etcetera, etecetra... And I'm sure that ain't even every standout song! And when did his lyrics leave "a lot to be desired?" Explain, please! More hennessy/enemy repetitive trash? More exaggerations off of one or two songs he did? Ok, ok, ok, the only song off the top of my head where he says "adversaries" is "No More Pain." And yeah, he said M-O-B a lot, but DAMN, that was his trademark! The man sold 5 million copies almost 8 years ago - before hip-hop carried the weight it does now, and he STILL sells more than most any rapper could have a wet dream about. And I only mention his sales cause that's a SMALL part of why he's the GOAT. Now, I just wanna hear why his lyrics left a lot to be desired and what were his standout tracks in your view.

MVPee, the funniest thing you said in that whole ten page essay was "Meth and Red lyrically outshined Pac." Dun, don't make me bring you into my office of judging MCs and beat you with my briefcase! "Got my gunpowder and my muskets... BLAUW!!!" Is that what does it for you? "The Mr. Meth Tical, from Staten Isle, we'll be back after this message don't touch the dial..." That's the shit you get off on? I liked Meth's verse, true, but how does that outshine Pac? And Red's verse shouldn't even be in this debate. "Nonbelievers get my dick and genitals backwards..." Oooooooooh! Ahhhhhhhhhhh! But if those are tight lyrics to you, then so be it. But other funny things about your essay was the fact that you never could give anybody a specific song about that hennessy/enemy nonsense you ALWAYS (ALWAYS, dun!) bring up. Then there were the same dick in the bootie "jokes" about DA SOUTH that you used on the old board. ARTICHOKES! Or was it ORANGES? Well, whatever it is, I gather you know the rest, silly kanedroppin Nigger-ian... And then you have the gumption to call me a "whammy" for mentioning B2K to my friends at Waffle House, when you were the "Herb-be HANDcock" ass nigga who couldn't let a post go by without "informing" us about every goddam detail of your pledge life! Like we were your best friends and shit! FUCK OUTTA HERE!!! And then he has the gumption to say I like Nelly (WTF? FUCK OUTTA HERE! I never said that, dummy) and proceed to NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION about "Favorite Nas Quote #3,342" (i.e. smokin weed, deceased bird, broken sky, yadda, yadda, yadda). And to top it off, Herb B. actually thinks I gave a rat's ass about him calling me an emotional wreck! Dun, the post may be old, but it's not like I can't scroll up and see it on the screen, you moron! And I couldn't respond then because my 1 meeeeeellion (dollars) aliases had you on a post ban. Unlike YOU, I keep my word. However, I thought you weren't gonna "talk" to me about music? Hmmmmmmmm... I know, Kaptain Hate, you always sayin H3K ain't right, but you want us to go together like Day and Night (copyright Jadakiss)...

Faye, we asked Nchekwube a long time ago about all those posts, and he "claims" it was an imposter. Claims. However, the real Nchekwube has numerous times called Pac the greatest MC of all time, just not the best lyricist. So all of his Pac hating now could be seen as mindboggling hypocrisy if you actually expected more from him.

"Broken dreams, broken promises, but well-kept lies..." - H3K

His persona on this thread is NOT mine... but he'd like it to be.

I'm out like my awards for Most Popular Outro and Illest Flow On The Net. Peace!

I also said Fabolous doesn't suck (if you can read - it may not be Ebo, but I thought you understood English), and I like a few of his verses. But if I were to pick a rapper to quote after every damn post, I'd pick F-A-G-O-L-O-U-S before I'd pick Chino Xtra-medium" and (g)AZ. And I said Nelly has a garbage flow and wack lyrics, but somehow manages to find good beats that work with his terrible mic skills.

"Dun, don't make me bring you into my office of judging MCs and beat you with my briefcase!" - H3K

I'm out like Chino "Smedium" and (g)AZ. Peace!

MVPee, it almost slipped my mind, but WHY in the hell do you post and and say, "No time for the intro/outro?" FUCK OUTTA HERE! It must take all of, what, 30 seconds to do that "Who is it" travesty of an intro and you can't spare the time to do that? So how is it you make jokes about my post frequency (sorry, I can afford the internet), but it seems as if you'll post when you have only a few minutes to spare? If you can't spend 30 seconds on your garbage outro how can you find time to post?! Hmmmmmmm... if I didn't know any better, I'd say you use every spare second that you have remaining in your AIDS-riddled African life to post against H3K... And since I know how much you love seeing H3K on your computer screen......... H to the 3 to the K! H3K!

"You love me, really..." - 3:16

I'm out like spare time for Herb B. Peace!

The New and Untouchable

(sigh) this is actually an effort to redeem myself.

Yeah, I know all about that AZ going to the ROC thing was rocky but I did only say "he might". POINT TAKEN.

I just got a CD full, uh-huh, FULL of diss tracks. OK Jaz-O vs the ROC might be pretty tight but he should have realised the ROC wouldn't just lie down on him. Dude getting mad just cos Hove dont put him on all his tracks. the JD vs Dre diss is better than I thought. KRS DESTROYED Nelly the Elephant (What Nellys new album called anyway? Nellycopter, Nellyphant, Nellyvision? I dont know!).

Get ready for me to put down some spits, Its been a while and i need to warm my lyrical vertebre up again.

I'm out like me after I won 2 flights to Ibiza

Peace

"Uh, uh, uh, I commandeered rap with the first written flow I typed/wit and intelligence exhibited in every single flow I write//lyrical insight unmatched; that makes me a visionary/dedicated to saving rap; that makes me a missionary//I'm not affected by other "rapper's" blah, yadda, and blase, blase/por que soy la cabesa de la clase//just when you think I've peaked, I let you know that you ain't seen shit/the potential is limitless, so is the arsenal, nah mean, kid?//I'm mad fresh in the whip that I be flossin in/so if you man want to test me, I suggest you caution him//cause you bout to lose a friend, HILL will bring the blues to him/old school puttin up the dukes, boxin him and bruisin him//rewind time, choose again, make sure that he choose to win/the thing to do is bounce cause HILL don't fuck with foolish men//spit so ill, medicine gets sick off of my flow/H3K, an MC All-Star, the lyrical All-Pro..."

Yeah, somebody said lyrics.

I'm out like the Florida State influence should be from them ugly ass new Redskins jerseys. Peace!

Dont know if its true but i heard that Gay-Z has challenged Nas to a freestyle battle and the winner gets a million dollars to give to charity? Also I heard faggoty ass Nelly will be in a movie? arent we safe anywhere from the gayness?! I am also somewhat dissapoint Philly traded my boy Mutumbo to the Nets but we are probably a better team now though.

Anyway, "Weak Van Corn" is not the second scorer Philly needed. They need somebody who can create on their own like A.I. and not some slow, sorry white guy. ANd 18 points a game may be good in high school, but in the NBA that ain't shit. Plus Van "P"orn ain't got NO defense. That was a horrible trade. As a matter of fact, why did they get rid of MacCulloch in the first place just to take him back? What the hell was Philly thinking? And with Mutumbo dominating the middle, that allows the Net guards to D real tight cause they know they got the Mount backin them up! I say this helps the Nets big time and fucks the Sixers. Poor A.I. First his wife fucks his cousin after he boots her out buck naked and now he loses his inside presence. What the fuck is goin on? Oh well......... LAKER FOUR PEAT!!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!

I'm out like the playoffs for The Answer. Peace!

I'm out like Part 2 to Part 3. Peace!

the damn man.

“Oh, and Cam'ron got arrested for possesion of weed and a gun.

I'm out like Bill Clinton in an interns mouth!”

A unique chapter in ILM history

just recently I was remembering the halcyon days of these threads, it's wonderful to imagine their principals now grown people out there in the world, the former indefatigable regulars of the Nas vs. Jay-Z thread

i used to imagine just one guy writing all this.

"In da South niggas pimp hard and pimp harder / I'm Nike and Adidas to yo Fila and Starter"

Googled for this and my top hit was Naomi Klein's NO LOGO

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