^^Absolutely, justifiably Metal Box/NMTB gets all the kudos, but I go back to Duck Rock a lot more than those pair. Love, love, love some of the Waltz Darling material too, especially this which manages to be both sensual, funny and a whole lotta strange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcc3mgXnUzY
― The Man With the Magic Eardrums (Billy Dods), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP
you were really something else
― m@tt (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLQRIXZdLhM
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Aw, this sucks. Underrated for his musical output in my opinion - he had a great run for a few years - Duck Rock, Swamp Think, Fans, Round The Outside are all great idiocyncratic albums. Perhaps over-rated as a mover and shaker but I have always been impressed by his attitude and creativity. His general process seems to be "let's throw a bunch of disparate things together and if it works, we'll glorify our vision later" - a technique that a lot of people copied.
― everything, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Just thinking about him pontificating from the bath in the Great Rock'N'Roll Swindle brings a smile to my face.
― everything, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
His last interview about the whole pistols/punk thing must surely then be the one in Jon Savage's 'Englands's Dreaming Tapes' from last year. It's a brilliant interview and like nothing i'd ever read him do before, very honest about the whole era with none of the usual attendant hype.
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
― Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm a bit shocked but wasn't he kind of a colossal jerk? Just thinking back to the later Pistols years, the whole Adam & The Ants/Bow Wow Wow thing...
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
never thought kim fowley would outlive malcom.
r.i.p. malcom! thanx for the great music. thanx for getting bow wow wow together! (a band more near and dear to me than the sex pistols)
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
i think the whole adam/bow wow wow thing ended up working well for everyone. in retrospect.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Agreed.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
um except Adam?
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
The whole um.. 'Chicken' magazine episode is the real clincher for anyone looking for reasons to diss him but i mean.. let's not go into THAT.
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Blackpoolhoaxer This was filmed in The Bronx in June 1983. I was there!! It was not made in S. Africa. The music comes from there and may have been recorded there but this vid was shot in a youth club in Bronx. I was 17 and was there while this was being filmed. It took about 3 hours all up. My brother was going out with a girl who worked at Arista records and she arranged it. Had to pay our own air fare though!!
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP.
What is the deal with this line from the NY Times:
"Fronted by John Lydon — whose repugnant appearance and Irish background earned him the stage name Johnny Rotten"
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/malcolm-mclaren-impresario-and-rock-music-manager-is-dead/
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link
?!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link
ny times gettin' back into its circa 1893 anti-Irish thang
― tylerw, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway, RIP -- dude was a character!
Nice obit and Top 5 and an old interview, from Popjustice: http://www.popjustice.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4628&Itemid=206
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Love the 12" mix of Madame Butterfly...
Thought I was the only one on the planet who was a fan of "Fans!"
RIP Malcolm, you provacateur you.
― I turn it up when I hear the banjo (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
No way, "Fans" is total classic. That "Madame Butterfly" interpretation was mind-blowing when I first heard it and seems no less now.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP Malcolm.
― dad a, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Was hoping this was a put-on. RIP
― A Century Of Elvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Last time I was up in Manchester I was singing Fans' praises with PiscesX after a chance encounter in the Cornerhouse as it goes...
― Doran, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link
This is why I love ILX. No one in my real life likes (or has even heard) "Fans."
― I turn it up when I hear the banjo (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i like it too! let's form a fan club.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
@jesshopp I never regarded Malcolm McLaren as anything other than the creepy svengali coaxing 14yo Annabella Lwin's nudity on BowWowWow covers. Sors.
14yo me supported him on this issue tbqh
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
well, i liked it when it came out a bunch. can't say i've heard it much since.
"14yo me supported him on this issue tbqh"
OTM! same here. i was totally in love.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Can't stop LOLing at 'repugnant appearance + Irish background'
― Fucking magnets, how do they work? (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I saw Bow Wow Wow in a club in the early 80s, and Annabella actually came out of the dressing room after the gig and played pinball! She really was remarkably beautiful.
― I turn it up when I hear the banjo (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link
She was stunning. Even now, she's still quite attractive.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/143/l_68546595c135440fb513e5077c6a863d.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Doubt anyone anyone knows him in my real life. Let alone knows Fans.
This sucks royally. Yes, he was a jerk, but one talented motherfucking jerk. RIP, dude.
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link
I testified in court against him a few years ago. He was one big visionnary asshole.
― J4mi3 H4rl3y (Snowballing), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
You shouldn't laugh but that is a pretty funny post.
― Doran, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link
The NY Times clarified their statement somewhat. It now reads:
"The band was fronted by John Lydon, whose repugnant appearance and Irish background inclined Mr. McLaren (as he stated in the documentary “The Great Rock ‘n’ Roll Swindle”) to saddle him with the pejorative stage name Johnny Rotten."
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link
jessica hopper is a prude. she seems to derive a considerable portion of her identity from being offended by things that are, in the scheme of things, very innocuous.
so, she's sort of the anti-malcolm mclaren i suppose.
not to say this guy wasn't kind of a dubious psued. but he was a dubious psued that made some surprisingly good music.
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
thanks for weighing in amateurist.
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
lol for sum reason i got jess hopper and jessica harvell confused for a sec there
― history mayne, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Jessica Harvell!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Way hotter than Jessica Hopper IMO.
― repugnant appearance, Irish background, not an animal (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link
It's kind of pretentious to be offended on behalf of someone who's no longer offended about how a dead person treated them.
― show us on the doll where the hotdish was served (suzy), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
As it says:
Statement from Johnny Rotten about Malcolm Mclaren "For me Malc was always entertaining, and I hope you (cont) http://tl.gd/ppp3e
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Misread "cont" as something else there for a second...
― Convenience Fish (snoball), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link
stupid cont
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link
In the summer of 1983, as a 12YO, I found the lack of pop music on Norwegian radio frustrating, and ended up listening to Radio Lux on a bad radio. Surely, this was 20 years after Lux's golden age, but for me, 1983 is the golden year of Lux, and also one golden year of British hitlist pop. I ended up listening to it a lot that summer and autumn.
What does this have to do with Malcom McLaren? Well, "Double Dutch" was being played on constant rotation on Lux that summer, and this strange song is largely what I connect with McLaren. Surely, I know his part in Sex Pistols, but never liked them, so for me it's more about his own work. Which was interesting in its own way with its combination of modern beats and electronics together with American square dance.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link
r u confusing "Double Dutch" with "Buffalo Gals"?
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 April 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP. I will stan for "Madame Butterfly" any day of the week.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 8 April 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I found that Ebert piece to be really interesting. The idea of Meyer, Ebert, McLaren and Rotten all working together is quite a thing to contemplate. Not really surprising it didn't work out but it has to be one of the great "what ifs" of 20th century popular culture. Thanks for linking. It's weird how there's a couple of bits that almost foreshadow what would happen in real life, like the final line of the movie would have been Rotten saying "Did yer ever had the feeling yer being watched" and Sid's quote after reading the script "I don't think my mum will like the bit about the heroin".
― everything, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
my bit...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JySddEdGkVY/S8ZMZPlvydI/AAAAAAAAAcA/TXY2i252Qco/s1600/God-Save-Malcolm--WHT-T.jpg
http://pollywannacracka.blogspot.com/2010/04/duck-rock-4-life.html
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 15 April 2010 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link
that momus/mclaren interview linked above makes both of them seem like pretentious nitwits. which sounds about right.
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2010 08:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i thought it was a great interview. 8yrs on it makes me wonder where and in who the spirit of punk is hiding now ?
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 15 April 2010 09:54 (fourteen years ago) link
The spirit of punk was reincarnated in a baby girl born in Asia born on 1/1/2000. She will restore punk to world dominance in 2018.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 15 April 2010 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Aja?
― Mark G, Thursday, 15 April 2010 12:37 (fourteen years ago) link
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:54 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
like for serious? they just come off as pompous wankers to me. especially all the "people nowadays, they've lost touch with (x)" speculation which in my mind = total blowhard. through, i dunno, baudrillard into the mix and there'd be stratospheric levels of self-satisfied hyperbole about the "zeitgeist."
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
also "spirit of punk" whatevs
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
isn't momus like philosophically opposed to punk, too? he's mentioned this numerous times.
two 'pompous wankers' talking smack is what makes it great. and yeah 'spirit of punk', oi oi and the whole subversive fuck the world thing, i know it's cliche but whos doing that these days ?
'isn't momus like philosophically opposed to punk, too? he's mentioned this numerous times."
haha...and who sounds like pretentious twat now then
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
"whole subversive fuck the world thing, i know it's cliche but whos doing that these days"
I feel the magnet-denials/fuck-the-worldism of ICP are subversive but in the wrong direction.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link
er what? momus has written that about punk numerous times here and on his various web sites. just strikes me as odd that he would reject the sex pistols and then look to mclaren as some kind of guru.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 16 April 2010 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link
i saw a couple wearing matching ICP t-shirts in the health-food co-op today.
punk music was bollocks if you ask me but the DIY ethics and aesthetics were choice. McLaren was always more than the one dimension the sex pistols portrayed.
so yeah, dunno about guru but as a role model on how to make grand artistic statements irrespective of success, failure or morality, he was quite inspirational.
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Friday, 16 April 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link
everyone seems to have behaved brilliantly over this, it seems to have brought out the best in all his ex friends ex enemies ex wives and whoever else. no one's had a bad word to say.
even NME has got it right, their best cover in *years*
http://www.nme.com/layout/magImage.php
― piscesx, Friday, 16 April 2010 05:01 (fourteen years ago) link
time heals i wounds, i guess. or maybe he made up with people late in life. certainly he fucked enough people over once upon a time.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 16 April 2010 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link
"time heals i wounds" is of course the bad brains version of "time heals all wounds"
"Momus says nowt but his prayers, y'knaa"
― Mark G, Friday, 16 April 2010 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Funeral was today.
Guess who: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47694000/jpg/_47694434_adamant_getty226282.jpg
― Mark G, Thursday, 22 April 2010 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Adam Ant - look'n like a hobo
...as if he needed the pic on his hat
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 22 April 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I've must have seen a dozen WDYLL threads, and I'll be damned if there's a man or woman amongst us who can call Adam fucking Ant out for looking like a hobo.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
If only i knew what a WDYLL thread was ?
Just sayin prince charming seems a lifetime ago. Anyone got a full frontal of the pic to see how the head matches the rest of the ensemble ?
or a photostream of the funeral/procession. It sounded fittingly grand and irreverently spectacular.
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/4/22/1271945221542/Malcolm-McLaren-Funeral-006.jpg
hobo chic ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/gallery/2010/apr/22/malcolm-mclaren-funeral?lightbox=1
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Sunday, 25 April 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
he looks good for his age, tho.
regarding mclaren being some sort of shady, untrustworthy character in business deals...
what did he actually do that was so bad? aside from kicking adam ant out of his own band. or is this just a rep he played up himself?
― max arrrrrgh, Sunday, 25 April 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
― piscesx, Friday, 16 April 2010 06:01 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ha. will this image change every week now?
― max arrrrrgh, Sunday, 25 April 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
ah brilliant! i hope so. wonder why it does/ did that? how very 21st century.
― piscesx, Sunday, 25 April 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Funeral sounds a laugh anywayhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/25/malcolm-mclaren-funeral-sean-ohagan
― sonofstan, Sunday, 25 April 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Ebert publishes Who Killed Bambi? to the web
― Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 26 April 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
hmmm.....
― Mark G, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 07:19 (fourteen years ago) link
anyone else at this point in malcolm mclaren and the bootzilla orchestra's "call a wave" hear "women of ireland", e.g. this kind of bit?
― conrad, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 15:12 (one month ago) link