Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.

"Now the year's new, I lay my game flat I want my spot back, take two Motherfuckers mad cause I blew, niggaz envious Too many niggaz on my dick(kazper), shit strenuous"- Biggie Smalls

"Hope you got a rope to hang yourself I rob for self, from QUEENS, where else? Fat like a Lexus coupe, I'll rip your troop Not even Lois Lane could get the scoop What you think I'm stupid?(mother fucker) My crew is mad deep I hope you niggas sleep"-Biggie Smalls

you fake ass cyber thugs make me laugh.now if it doesnt apply to you dont get offended. they know who im talking about.

haters (shaking my head)

Grow up! Be a man or a woman! Shit, this ain't no thread for the weak- hearted. You can't come in here and expect us to hold your hand. We are pretty adamant about our opinions and we are extremely intense when we defend our views. But for the most part, it's all love. I mean, there's beef on the thread. I been involved in most of it. But damn, don't be scared. Say what you gotta say. It's the internet! It's ok to be a thug in here. I wouldn't know any of you if you smacked me on the ass, so I say whatever I want. I don't give a fuck. I'm havin fun. Say whatever you want. But if you come in here dissin Nas, be prepared to have The Best or Big J on that ass. If you diss DC, Qoolout gon be all on ya. Diss England, and 3:16 will be there to represent. And try to diss DA SOUTH, I'm gon have none of it. Come in here talkin nonsense, like Jay is better than Nas cuz he has more money, we gon be on that ass. We ain't got time for no two line bullshit, just cuz you impressed yo name and opinion is on an internet site. We put thought into what we post, so when we see some bullshit, we ain't gonna respond positively. I mean, say what you got say, and be out. But be prepared for somebody disagreein with you. Don't get all mad and offended cuz we don't respect your belief that Method Man ghostwrites for Mariah Carey. Or we don't agree with your definition of freestylin. Or whatever. Get a backbone, post, come back read our responses, and post again. It ain't that hard. DAMN!

Now, back to the point. Rocky Marciano didn't want to see Balrog from Street Fighter II. Just kidding. Rocky Marciano? Please. He was a bad boy, but just cuz he went undefeated don't mean shit. I mean Boston won all them titles BEFORE Jordan's Bulls and Phil's Lakers and Tim Duncan's Spurs or Hakeem's Rockets. Marciano in an era where boxers are stronger, faster, and have studied the greats? Come on. These muthafuckas would get in Marciano's ass. Look at Cassius Clay, Jr. Had he been able to keep boxin, it's no tellin what he could have done. And I'm tellin you, 3:16, I ain't tryin to divide and conquer but Marciano couldn't tie Lennoz Louis' shoes! Nor could he beat him in a boxing match...

How come a lot of niggas don't like Kobe? I ain't tryin to call out Big J cuz my boy back home hates Kobe, too. And I know a lot of niggas at school who hate him. Why? I mean, the nigga is definitely "different." He be on some other shit. Plus, that whole, "sometimes I dream that he is me" (I-wanna-be-Jordan) shit... But you can't hate Kobe for bein Jordan. We all want to be like Mike in our respective ways. Kobe can't help it he's one of the few who could realistically be the "Air Apparent."

Another thing, Method Man is the ONLY good member of Wu-Tang in my opinion. And Ghostface Killah?! That nigga is garbage times 100. That Bulletproof Wallets garbo? Come on, fellas. "And Lord knows what I'ma do to him!" Them lyrics on that song are horrible! Ghostface has no skills in my modest opinion. Wu-Tang ain't been good since the mid 90s. They been fell off.

I'm out like Rocky Marciano if he had ever met up with Cassius Clay, Jr. Peace!

Mr Kazper (Casper) the Friendly Ghost, I dont need to be no private eye to find shit on you. The instructions are posted up this thread! Maybe i will be a snoop and find some more shit, but maybe not. But please tell me you didn't write this:

"Hey guys, as you can see on my profile I`m 20, 5`7, 165lbs. I`m not in college because of my line of work. I`m in a five man singing group called "FOOTSTEPS". I`m a singer, song writer, musician. This is what I do. This is what I love. So I can actually say that I`am living one of my biggest dreams. and if you guys are still wondering (we are all getting college tutorers)" If you didnt write it, then I must of got another Kazper, ah well...

And if thats a picture of you... hmmm...

Personally, I think in a Marciano vs Ali fight (both at their peak), Marciano would get a knock-out in round 12 or later. By the way, did any of y'all see when Henry Cooper had Ali on his ass so bad his corners needed to tear Ali's glove to extend the break between rounds. Ali got saved by the bell, but theres no way he would of made the count. He won the fight cos Cooper had a real bad cut over his left eye.

Yeah, I got to say Back (DAMN!) did alright on the rhymes he put up, but like I said Best (got it right that time), do you want it?

"try the wu hate, duck, you can suck my/watch the block get clear when I buck my/boomerang darts, you cant duck my/no tellin' which clan man you got struck by" - RZA

Peace

Oh yeah, speaking of hillis, I don't give a fuc if DA BEARS are garbage, they was my team when they had garbage records. So now they my playoff with a bye garbage (BEARS since '84). I could never watch them play cause I'm in Carolina and had to see the wack ass PANTHERS every week.

The greatest boxer is Roy Jones and and Bald Bull.

As far as the whole two-week poster status, I been here before halloween. I though about posting on other sites but this thread is the sheez-hot. This is the best thread on Nas/Jay-z. I went on jackin4beats.com and you talk about immature. Those cats can't be over 15.

Now, back to the topic (this seems to be my trademark). Nas is the shit right now, Any questions????

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1970 March "Border Song", featuring the Barbara Moore Choir, is released but, despite strong UK airplay, fails to chart. April The Elton John Band makes its live debut at the Roundhouse in Camden Town, supporting T.Rex. May (9) John again plays piano on an Abbey Road Studio session for the Hollies, on "I Can't Tell The Bottom From The Top" (and is guest organist on their "Perfect Lady Housewife", for inclusion on CONFESSIONS OF THE MIND). Aug (22) Having signed to MCA Records' Uni subsidiary in the US at the invitation of label boss Russ Regan, "Border Song", from ELTON JOHN, marks his US singles chart debut, at #92. (25) John makes his live Stateside debut, accompanied by regular sidemen, bassist Dee Murray (b. David Murray Oates, Apr. 3, 1946, Southgate, London) and Nigel OLsson (b. Feb 10, 1949, Wallasey, Lancs.) on drums, performing at the 20th-anniversary celebrations for Doug Weston's Troubadour in Los Angeles, CA, opening for singer/songwriter David Ackles. With Leon Russell and Quincy Jones in the audience, John will later claim that the "awesome" reviews of this performance changed his life. Oct (3) ELTON JOHN enters the US chart. It is produced by Gus Dudgeon, and features the first Elton John Band, with John on vocals and keyboards, Dee, Olsson, and Quaye on guitar. (31) John begins his freshman US tour at the Boston Tea Party, Boston, MA. Nov (12-15) He plays the Fillmore West, supporting the Kinks. (17) A concert in New York, NY forms a live radio broadcast for station WPLJ (and is recorded for album release in 1971). (20-21) John plays at the Fillmore East, New York, with Leon Russell headlining.

1971 Jan (23) Ballad "Your Song" hits US #8. (30) TUMBLEWEED CONNECTION, featuring Dusty Springfield as a backing vocalist, hits UK #6. Dick James enlists Motown label manager John Reid as John's personal manager. He will remain with the singer for 27 years. Feb (6) ELTON JOHN hits US #4. (13) "Your Song" hits UK #7, as TUMBLEWEED CONNECTION hits US #5. (17) ELTON JOHN is certified gold by the RIAA. Mar (3) John plays the Royal Festival Hall, London, during his current UK tour. (22) The RIAA certifies gold sales of TUMBLEWEED CONNECTION. Apr (3) ELTON JOHN reaches UK #11. (24) John's title song from the film "Friends" makes US #34, as he embarks on a major UK tour, set to end in June. May (1) 17-11-70, from the November concert in New York, reaches UK #20, as soundtrack album, FRIENDS, reaches US #36, having been certified gold by the RIAA on April 6th. July (10) 11-17-70 (the month and day inverted for the US version), reaches US #11. Nov John embarks on a major UK tour.

More to follow.

"It started off on the Island, AK Shaolin niggaz wildin/ Old folks scream : stop the violence!"-The Chef Raekwon

Clearly the next step is an in-depth analysis of superstring theory.

If you can't talk about hip-hop battles, get the fuck off this post. Their topics get no play so they got to come and Invade ours. I don't care what music you listen to, this is a Hip-Hop thread. You will respect hip-hop as it is an art. To those of you who don't care for hip hop, but want to be a nusiance and not get the fuck off this thread, (oh yeah, fuck grammar, english is a bastard language anyway) notice that hip-hop has many aspects. We have our own debates as to the importance of beats and production vs lyrics. We don't need any other discussion of other types of music, especially shit that was goin on before we were born. Hip Hop stands on it's own.

Hip hop has it's own talent structure. The art of rapping is the ability to talk to a rhythm. That's what RAP stands for "rhythm and poetry". The rhythm is assisted by the beat. Rap was Rap before it was Rap Music. Rap is so versatile that it has the ability to draw from any kind of music. Even that Elton john character. People try to grade Rap on the music it uses but beats are merely a support mechanism. So, therefore all arguments on this thread will concern hip-hop (with a tolerable sports bar break).

To the vets, I apologize for responding to the alternative prick elton john poster. I will now ask that they all are on the ignore list.

Back to the topic, I haven't heard any new Nas diss except "supa ugly". But from what I'm hearin, damn, there must be about a hundred million. Everytime someone posts, I'm hearin about a new Nas diss.

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Cool, Calm, just like Back's mom/with a couple of balls inside her palm/its Ms Nchekpube with some cum on her sleeve/but the Bests been paralysed like Christopher Reeves/I cant describe the vibe I get/when I fire off 12 shots, and 9 I hit/oh shit, I hit your moms left tit/your trailer park door, and 7 of her foster kids/This thread makes me hallucinate/the Back trys to rap then he tries to hate/so we see dumb shit start happening/kinda like the Best trying to rhyme again/so Back Back c'mon Back (gunshots) I said c'mon Back/to them people in yo' house getting high off crack/to them kiddies in the street shoutin' BEST IS WACK/little bullshit better ask around/3:16 just sold your sister a pound/yo' Best I think yo' mommas crashing out/she must of suffocated with my dick in her mouth

...he he

To all the vets, nuff love, to Elton John and Sarah McChicken, Shut the hell up!

Peace

Best, how do you like this line by Nas?: "God's Son" across the belly, the boss of rap /you saw me in Belly with thoughts like that to take it back to Africa. Not the deepest song but a somewhat deep line. Thus I feel it.

Born Lucien Ginzberg in Paris on April 2, 1928, his parents were Russian Jews who fled to France following the events of the 1917 Bolshevik uprising. After studying art and teaching, he turned to painting before working as a bar pianist on the local cabaret circuit. Soon he was tapped to join the cast of the musical Milord L'Arsoille, where he reluctantly assumed a singing role; self-conscious about his rather homely appearance, MC Gainsbourg initially wanted only to carve out a niche as a composer and producer, not as a performer.

Still, he made his recording debut in 1958 with the album Du Chant a la Une!; while strong efforts like 1961's L'Etonnant MC Gainsbourg and 1964's MC Gainsbourg Confidentiel followed, his jazz-inflected solo work performed poorly on the charts, although compositions for vocalists ranging from Petula Clark to Juliette Greco to Dionne Warwick proved much more successful. In the late 1960s, he befriended the actress Brigitte Bardot, and later became her lover; with Bardot as his muse, MC Gainsbourg's lushly-arranged music suddenly became erotic and delirious, and together, they performed a series of duets -- including "Bonnie and Clyde," "Harley Davidson" and "Comic Strip" -- celebrating pop culture icons.

MC Gainsbourg's affair with Bardot was brief, but its effects were irrevocable: after he became involved with constant companion Jane Birkin, they recorded the 1969 duet "Je T'Aime...Moi Non Plus," a song he originally penned for Bardot complete with steamy lyrics and explicit heavy breathing. Although banned in many corners of the globe, it reached the top of the charts throughout Europe, and grew in stature to become an underground classic later covered by performers ranging from Donna Summer to Ray Conniff.

MC Gainsbourg returned in 1971 with Histoire de Melody Nelson, a dark, complex song cycle which signalled his increasing alienation from modern culture: drugs, disease, suicide and misanthropy became thematic fixtures of his work, which grew more esoteric, inflammatory and outrageous with each passing release. Although MC Gainsbourg never again reached the commercial success of his late-1960s peak, he remained an imposing and controversial figure throughout Europe, where he was both vilified and celebrated for his shocking behavior, which included burning 500 francs on a live television broadcast and recording a reggae version of the sacred "La Marseillaise."

MC Gainsbourg also created a furor with the single "Lemon Incest," a duet with his daughter, the actress Gainsbourg Boo. In addition, he posed in drag for the cover of 1984's Love on the Beat, a collection of songs about male hustlers, and made sexual advances towards Whitney Houston on a live TV broadcast. Along with his pop music oeuvre, MC Gainsbourg scored a number of films, and also directed and appeared in a handful of features, most notably 1976's Je T'Aime...Moi Non Plus, which starred Birkin and Andy Warhol mainstay Joe Dallesandro. He died on March 2, 1991.

and lol the heat beat the lakers. and fuck that faggot elton john

deep
man.

Truely deep.

Peace Out Erica

ive already establised that i cant win this war, but im in it, maybe i started it, maybe i was provoked,but im in it. sowahts the use of me running away? so that yall can keep talking 'bout me. " where did that pussy ass kazper go, guess he got the hint? " phuck dat, im in it. if i lose i lose, but i be damned yall say i ran, or even walked away. its all typing,.....what can it hurt, but some pride, and yall cant take that. this shit is fun to me, passes the time at work. i got my whole shop trippin of this shit. now the imposter, you should be able to tell what he/she posts, it be some nonsense i know im the minority in this thread, its yalls, i give yall that, but yall "gon" make room for newcomers, if i got to make room or take room. and that pit point you made, i like that. i feel you, but backing down is just somthing i just cant do. i appreciate the respect you gave, you made your point, with no bull, straight to the point. i was wondering what the hell yall was talking 'bout, we just got A.I.'s game last night, how many points was it ?54,....56... for the whole game? kobe had, i think 54, in the 1st three quarters, he didnt even play the last quarter.

Kobe had 56 in three quarters against the Grizzlies, A.I. had 58 against the Spurs in overtime. Which is harder? I say they're equal, cuz Kobe could have scored 70, but definitely not 70 against the Spurs with Shaq out or Shaq playing.

Back to boxing: I'm sorry, but Rocky Marciano loses points from me because of when he boxed. I just don't think boxers from his day could have fucked with boxers of today. They hit much harder now. But that's my humble opinion.

Manny?! I don't really think it's you, but oh well. If it is Manny, Buenos dias and shit. How's life as Qoolout's ho?

I dislike gospel rap. I feel like gospel is the only music where it is solely based on lyrics. There's no such thing as gospel "rap" it's just simply gospel. But anyway, I don't like gospel rappers because they're usually not that good, and I feel guilty about judging them musically, when it's all about praisin "da lawd."

I been meanin to say this, but I'm just now realizin it. How can y'all say Jay-Z is arrogant? How can Nas ever clown Jay about spittin BIG's lines. Come on, Nas. That blasphemy in the "Got Urself A Gun" video is, well... blasphemous! Nas, you are NOWHERE NEAR PAC OR BIG! How dare you, Nas? Recall that video and never show it again! Next thing you know Al Sharpton gon be comparing himself to Malcom and Martin! (X and Luther King Jr, not Jamal-Warner and Lawrence)...

I must admit, Ether gets hotter every time I hear it. But don't be fooled. Takeover did that, too. Are y'all fools finally feelin me that Rewind is definitely the best song on Stillmatic?

The Best, I ain't never gon deny Wu's appeal and success, but seriously, those albums you mentioned are all from 96 and before. My boy is a huge Wu-Tang fan, and he used to bump Only Built For Cuban Linx all the time. And 36 chambers, and a lot of they old shit. I never got into the Wu simply cuz I didn't feel RZA's production. But you gotta admit, Wu has fell off, and I agree, Meth has dropped, but I still say he's the best cuz the rest of the muthafuckas always been off. ODB, Rae, Ghostface, GZA, RZA, all of em are weak on the mic. However, my boy be feelin "Liquid Swords." Is that a classic, too, or is he the only one who likes it? Redman isn't that impressive, either.

Tell the truth: Y'all be bumpin MC Serge Gainsbourg...

I'm out like Shaq for three more games. Peace!

We got the coward hater who can't even use it's own name. Then we have Anny, oh my fault Manny, rising from te dead. LMAO.

Stillmatic is PLATNUM!!!!!!!!

I never gave a shout out to Best and Big J, for reassuring my opinion on NaS and hip hop in General. Oh yeah, another shout out to Hillis for a legitimate opposing view. Qoolout, I have issues with your opinions too but, all of us defend hip hop to the deaf of it (anyone remember that word??).

OH YEAH SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO HOLLYWOOD FOR CREATING PART TWO IS THIS NOW FAMOUS THREAD KNOWN ALL OVER THE NET!!!!!!!(LOX STYLE,YOU LIKE??)

LOX you my boy with the all caps style that gives your grand entrance. Just tell'em why you mad son.

Oh yeah, Steph, I didn't forget you, another one ready to throw down for hip hop, hence the topic is this most hated on thread. At the rate we're going this thread will be a bitch to download by the end of the month.

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Man i agree with Q, that did sound like Manny but i dont remember him using fake names like big gay but im not sure. If it was him then imagine if all of us battled him LOL he wouldnt stand a chance. oh and that motherfucker doesnt want to get me fired up cuz im ready to beef.

Oh and yall know who this is for, these are my modified quotes from shook ones.

"your simple words just don't move me you're minor, im major you all up in the game and don't deserve to be a player don't make me have to call your name out your crew is featherweight my gunshots'll make you levitate I'm only seventeen but my mind is old and when the things get for real my warm heart turns cold another nigga post bitchy, another story gets told it ain't nothin' really hey, yo dun spark the Phillie so I can get my mind off these yellowbacked niggas why they still here I don't know, go figure meanwhile back in Queens the realness is foundation and when I post I couldn't choose a better location when my words penetrate you feel a burning sensation getting closer to beef in a tight situation now, take these words home and think it through or the next post I write might be about you"

Uhh, thank you... thank you very much *applause* Thank you thank you far too kind, far too kind Thank you, thank you very much Good night everybody, good night! I love all of you, thank you thank you Thank you, thank you very much Good night!

(sigh) this is actually an effort to redeem myself.

Yeah, I know all about that AZ going to the ROC thing was rocky but I did only say "he might". POINT TAKEN.

I just got a CD full, uh-huh, FULL of diss tracks. OK Jaz-O vs the ROC might be pretty tight but he should have realised the ROC wouldn't just lie down on him. Dude getting mad just cos Hove dont put him on all his tracks. the JD vs Dre diss is better than I thought. KRS DESTROYED Nelly the Elephant (What Nellys new album called anyway? Nellycopter, Nellyphant, Nellyvision? I dont know!).

Get ready for me to put down some spits, Its been a while and i need to warm my lyrical vertebre up again.

I'm out like me after I won 2 flights to Ibiza

Peace

"Uh, uh, uh, I commandeered rap with the first written flow I typed/wit and intelligence exhibited in every single flow I write//lyrical insight unmatched; that makes me a visionary/dedicated to saving rap; that makes me a missionary//I'm not affected by other "rapper's" blah, yadda, and blase, blase/por que soy la cabesa de la clase//just when you think I've peaked, I let you know that you ain't seen shit/the potential is limitless, so is the arsenal, nah mean, kid?//I'm mad fresh in the whip that I be flossin in/so if you man want to test me, I suggest you caution him//cause you bout to lose a friend, HILL will bring the blues to him/old school puttin up the dukes, boxin him and bruisin him//rewind time, choose again, make sure that he choose to win/the thing to do is bounce cause HILL don't fuck with foolish men//spit so ill, medicine gets sick off of my flow/H3K, an MC All-Star, the lyrical All-Pro..."

Yeah, somebody said lyrics.

I'm out like the Florida State influence should be from them ugly ass new Redskins jerseys. Peace!

Dont know if its true but i heard that Gay-Z has challenged Nas to a freestyle battle and the winner gets a million dollars to give to charity? Also I heard faggoty ass Nelly will be in a movie? arent we safe anywhere from the gayness?! I am also somewhat dissapoint Philly traded my boy Mutumbo to the Nets but we are probably a better team now though.

Anyway, "Weak Van Corn" is not the second scorer Philly needed. They need somebody who can create on their own like A.I. and not some slow, sorry white guy. ANd 18 points a game may be good in high school, but in the NBA that ain't shit. Plus Van "P"orn ain't got NO defense. That was a horrible trade. As a matter of fact, why did they get rid of MacCulloch in the first place just to take him back? What the hell was Philly thinking? And with Mutumbo dominating the middle, that allows the Net guards to D real tight cause they know they got the Mount backin them up! I say this helps the Nets big time and fucks the Sixers. Poor A.I. First his wife fucks his cousin after he boots her out buck naked and now he loses his inside presence. What the fuck is goin on? Oh well......... LAKER FOUR PEAT!!! HA HA HA HA HA!!!

I'm out like the playoffs for The Answer. Peace!

I'm out like Part 2 to Part 3. Peace!

the damn man.

“Oh, and Cam'ron got arrested for possesion of weed and a gun.

I'm out like Bill Clinton in an interns mouth!”

A unique chapter in ILM history

just recently I was remembering the halcyon days of these threads, it's wonderful to imagine their principals now grown people out there in the world, the former indefatigable regulars of the Nas vs. Jay-Z thread

i used to imagine just one guy writing all this.

"In da South niggas pimp hard and pimp harder / I'm Nike and Adidas to yo Fila and Starter"

Googled for this and my top hit was Naomi Klein's NO LOGO

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