So, Does Everyone Hate Cass McCombs?

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I love Cass McCombs. I think he is amazing. I started a thread about how much I like him a while ago and I have been listening a lot to the two songs from the new single. Can't wait to hear PREfection.

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"city of brotherly love" is still killing me. the lyrics!

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i LOVE cass mccombs. i only have A and the EP , I much prefer the EP, although "waht isn't nature" is such a great song from A. is the new album already out in the states?? my lord I didn't even know. and I too found it surprising he was on 4AD, seems unlikely...is he even popular?

owen reading, Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

hi cutty (or anyone), do you want to send me this song, perhaps? I am dying for some new material.

w!mb!sh@gma!l.com if the answer is yes. No worries if no.

Thanks

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link

is there anywhere to download that prefection album? I cna only find one song on limewire and it's not out yet.

owen reading, Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't find anything on limewire!

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

But owen, I can send you the two songs from the single: Sacred Heart (an album track) and Twins (a bside)

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:14 (nineteen years ago) link

funny. i just went to stylus after all this praise for it to find a cass review, and nothing!
i could only get one at pfork
hmmm
http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/m/mccombs_cass/a.shtml

owen reading, Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

it's not out yet, man.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I could burn copies for people, but i don't really know you guys and you all may be evil!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, to answer the question, it seems like a lot of the people on ILM who hate Cass are from SF and saw him play a while ago. It seems like he must have sucked back then. But he doesn't anymore.

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 20 January 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i really like this. at least I like the EP of his i have

zach farver, Thursday, 20 January 2005 05:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i have one of the new songs, sacred heart--has a morrissey sound to it. weird

owen reading, Friday, 21 January 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought that too owen

Magic City (ano ano), Friday, 21 January 2005 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i dig

john clarkson, Friday, 21 January 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I really like the uptempo songs. I remember how surprised I was by them when he played them live last year.
Bury Mary is my favorite right now. It sounds like the velvet underground and has my favorite lyrics, namely

ping ping goes the shovel
pang pang goes the pail
the middle of summer
and the furnace will be burning
when she gets some mail!

Tourist Woman is also great
Not crazy about the production and a little disapointed in some of Tim DeWitt's drumming; he's usually great.

Magic City (ano ano), Saturday, 5 February 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, bury mary has that lonesome cowboy bill thang going on. i wrote something about this album, i'll have to post it on my blog tonite.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 5 February 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

mia is shit.

mia is shit., Saturday, 5 February 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
i started a cass mccombs thread once!

scott seward, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i did too, once. i am glad we have that in common. did you post about him on your blog ever?
i saw him on saturday, he still makes me swoon.

mizzell, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i wrote something about this album, but i never published it anywhere. i probably still have it somewhere. i haven't listened to Prefection in a long time. i should dig that out as well. such a nice record.

scott seward, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I like that records lots...especially "She's Still Suffering"...hell, I even like the "car alarm" song at the end...I note with interest (my home state) that the it was recorded in a studio in Benton Harbor, Michigan...

henry s, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i like cass mccombs and saw him last week. he was good.

pretzel walrus, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i was surprised how good he sounded given that a) the sound sucked and b) arboreutem was his band and they= not so good.
excited for a new record!

mizzell, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

hah, i agree on arbouretum, although they were better than when i last saw them - a little more fairport/richard thompsony than i remembered? still only one or two of the jamalamas achieved liftoff. the acoustic stuff w/cass was really nice too. are you talking about the baltimore show?

pretzel walrus, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

oh right, saturday = not baltimore

pretzel walrus, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

so, the single is out there. That's That. sounds pretty good.

mizzell, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link

nice guy

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link

great name, too...sounds like a hero of the Wild West...

henry s, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

the first song (Lionkiller) on the new album is pretty sweet. kinda dark, with a dinky keyboard riff towards the end. has anyone heard the record?

mizzell, Friday, 31 August 2007 18:14 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

since the last album really lit up ilm, i am proud to announce that a new album, Catacombs, is coming out in June. First single, dreams come true girl, is out there on the internet. I didn't like a lot of Dropping the Writ, but based on the last time I saw him live, I am anticipating this.

mizzell, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link

feel a little bad that i didn't hear the last album and now there's a new one. but i'm a busy guy.

scott seward, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link

the new album,Catacombs, (he probably thought about this title for years..) is very good.
in fact, it's probably one of the better records of 2009.
References:John Lennon,Robyn Hitchcock,Calvin Joohnson,Nick Drake,Robert Wyatt...

great, minimal production too.

Zeno, Sunday, 3 May 2009 01:13 (fifteen years ago) link

I've only heard one song by him: "Full Moon or Infinity". A friend put it on a mix for me. I really liked it! Is that song of typical quality for McCombs?

loaf man (Z S), Sunday, 3 May 2009 01:17 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't know that song.
the only record i heard from him is perfection, which is very good, but he changed styles almost totally afterwards.(less 80's more 70's and accesible, in short)

Zeno, Sunday, 3 May 2009 01:21 (fifteen years ago) link

also sounds kinda like a richard davies solo record. or bill fay, which is a great compliment.

Zeno, Sunday, 3 May 2009 01:36 (fifteen years ago) link

i like "full moon or infinity" despite it sounding like elliot smith. i've never heard it mentioned as a highlight, and he has better songs. if you like that song i think you will find plenty to like on his albums.
i'm not totally convinced by the new one yet. it's too long by about three songs. the first track is really excellent, though.

mizzell, Sunday, 3 May 2009 01:37 (fifteen years ago) link

if you are looking for something that sounds like richard davies, i recommend aptos by the moore brothers, which is probably my favorite album of 2009.

mizzell, Sunday, 3 May 2009 01:39 (fifteen years ago) link

"Harmonia" is my JAM right now.

Dave Depper (Davey D), Sunday, 3 May 2009 07:34 (fifteen years ago) link

New record might be his best.

litcofsky, Saturday, 16 May 2009 02:22 (fifteen years ago) link

wow I forgot about cass mccombs. I really liked those first two records and then somehow totally forgot about them.

akm, Saturday, 16 May 2009 02:35 (fifteen years ago) link

dude, she choked on a ham sandwich. preserve what little dignity she has left.

macaulay culkin's bukkake shocker (bug), Saturday, 16 May 2009 03:53 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

akm, I did the same as you. But this new single brought it all flooding back. Such a beautiful song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyeBD4MYRk8

Barnaby, Hardly, Monday, 13 July 2009 21:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i kinda ignored that song at first cause there are too many slow ones on the album but it is really excellent.

mizzell, Monday, 13 July 2009 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link

A is still one of my favorite records of the 2000s!

69, Monday, 13 July 2009 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Just got the new album and listened to it once - "Harmonia" is the track that is really jumping out at me thus far. And "Dream Come True Girl," but that one not in a good way. The rest of the album I need more time with.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

i saw him last night with a new band including andy mcleod on drums and the bassist from bishop allen. they were great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVo7eueP6wA

mizzell, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm gonna turn this into a youtube thread now. last summer he played this fun, sun records-ish instrumental, wonder if he recorded it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c5wMLspJN8

mizzell, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZ1QEUwRy8

mizzell, Tuesday, 28 July 2009 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I voted for Heartmind pretty high but unfortunately no-one else on ILM did. "Karaoke" is such a beautiful song. I really love "Estrella" from Tip of The Spheres too which is another totally slept-on album of his. As is Mangy Love from 2016! There's a lot of soul stylings on that one that really work well. It took me a while to come around to Wit's End. Its pretty dark and one-note. I'm in agreement with most here that Catacombs is his classic.

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 31 July 2023 14:53 (ten months ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2FM4zuAlNI

Cass has always been an incredible vocalist, and I knew the bridge of this song was incredibly difficult vocally, but seeing someone else try it really gives some context to how much he kills it.

H.P, Sunday, 17 December 2023 01:51 (five months ago) link

Perfect song for a harp cover too!

I do think that his vocal melodies really toned down after around Catacombs by and large. His vocal delivery approach narrowed and lots of songs ended up sounding kinda samey as a result.

Windfall is the polar opposite of that problem, as demonstrated there

Evan, Monday, 18 December 2023 21:50 (five months ago) link

On the other side, windfall has always bordered on the offensively saccharine for me. I still love the song because its really the only saccharine song in his discography, so its worst qualities are balanced out by the rest of the work (I think I'd have no time for this song by anyone else). His wide vocal stage were definitely still there for Wit's End. County Line, Memory Stain (a top 5 Cass melody), buried alive/the lonely doll/hermits cave/pleasant shadow song.... so really everything besides a knock upon the door and saturday's song.

Windfall also has to be one of his only songs with a third section! It's normally always either A or A-B. Amazing how much putting a bridge in a discography without them makes the song sound completely out of character. The more time I spend with Cass's music, the more I grow to love his "one section repeating over and over" songs more

H.P, Monday, 18 December 2023 23:52 (five months ago) link

A return to a wider vocal range on his new album too. Love the vocal harmonies on Karaoke. The wandering, where the hell is this melody going? vocal lines on Music Is Blue. Every track is interesting vocally, it's the instrumentation and production that I haven't fell in love with on Heartmind (except for Karaoke, a cracker track)

H.P, Monday, 18 December 2023 23:57 (five months ago) link

enjoy reading your thoughts

I never considered Cass a strong singer, in the sense that his vocals seem a bit fragile or... well, they're very understated... but they work perfectly, live too

can't put a finger on the instrumentation, my favorite from Heartmind is A Blue, Blue Band

corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 08:24 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

Wit's End kinda his masterpiece, no? got a vinyl copy. haven't listened to him/it in a long time. pressing is sadly a little loud/surfacey at the beginning of each side. and a little loud otherwise. in that way of modern vinyl. still sounds good though. i do think "County Line" is his best song but the whole album is nearly as strong. i don't know if i have the inner fortitude to do a Cass deep dive right now but this album will do for now.

i got this copy from a musician i know named nat baldwin. he's very nice. he makes cool avant garde music. has a tape label. he just got his Masters! he's moving to town from a couple of towns over. anyway, he sold me a crate of records - which was a very hip crate - and he had a bunch of singer/songwriter LPs that i had never heard. Wit's End was one of them. and of them was put out by my friend Teddy on his Feeding Tube label and somehow i missed it - Ted usually brings me in a big box of FT releases to sell every blue moon - and I think anyone here would really like it. Ned Collette - Old Chestnut. it's REALLY good in a late-60s/early 70s folk-psych vein. it reminds me of a lot of not-famous british singers that i like a lot. anyway, check it out. came out in 2018.

scott seward, Monday, 6 May 2024 16:02 (three weeks ago) link

i started this thread 19 years ago and i'm still listening to the Casster! the Cassaroonie! MC Cassie Cash!

scott seward, Monday, 6 May 2024 16:11 (three weeks ago) link

Thanks for the Ned C. rec, Scott--going to give a full listen, but on first flip-through that synth arpeggio incorporation on Track 2 is tastefully surprisingly/well-integrated into the folkiness IMO!

Nat Baldwin seems like a v cool fellow indeed--first heard of him through his Dirty Projectors membership.

As an intermediate Cass listener/fan I'd rec next getting into Catacombs and then Big Wheel, maybe?

Funding Hostile (Craig D.), Monday, 6 May 2024 16:20 (three weeks ago) link

(Oh, I now grok that you've already heard a good am't the Cassster and are re-listening, gotcha)

Funding Hostile (Craig D.), Monday, 6 May 2024 16:21 (three weeks ago) link

i like Catacombs a lot. i could see that being someone's fave Cass. that has such great songs on it. i wouldn't mind having that on vinyl. 2XLP.

still listening to Wit's End and "Buried Alive" is up there for me too. sounds so good. the guitar especially.

scott seward, Monday, 6 May 2024 16:24 (three weeks ago) link

I remember "Memory's Stain" really blowing me away, too--am in need of a relisten myself!

Have only cherrypicked/skimmed through his Anti- output in recent years, am now thinking I should attempt to give those later albums some (mangy) love

Funding Hostile (Craig D.), Monday, 6 May 2024 16:29 (three weeks ago) link

don't sleep on Tip of the Sphere!

gotta agree wit's end is impeccable

corrs unplugged, Monday, 6 May 2024 16:31 (three weeks ago) link

Scott, have you ever listened to this? Cass is in this group:

https://theskiffleplayers.bandcamp.com/album/skifflin

Evan, Monday, 6 May 2024 16:33 (three weeks ago) link

that Skiffle Players album never clicked with me. I kinda want to sell it, given the prices it seems to get.

mizzell, Monday, 6 May 2024 16:42 (three weeks ago) link

I saw him play a small intimate gig with Steve Gunn last Thursday. They did a gorgeous psychy rendition of "Wild Mountain Thyme".

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:04 (three weeks ago) link

Skifflin'! oh man no i didn't know about that one.

scott seward, Monday, 6 May 2024 17:12 (three weeks ago) link

"County Line" is one of my favorite songs.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:16 (three weeks ago) link

that Ned Collette album i praised above is kinda like the new Taylor Swift. the first LP is perfect and all you need out of an album and then some. BUT if you want more there is a 2nd LP.

scott seward, Monday, 6 May 2024 17:19 (three weeks ago) link

The “Coo Coo Bird” cover is good! I like the Skifflin’ album

your dog is fed and no one cares (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 6 May 2024 17:48 (three weeks ago) link

I don't know why exactly but this one really gets me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWX09AivQGk

Evan, Monday, 6 May 2024 18:59 (three weeks ago) link


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