Camera Obscura - My Maudlin Career

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i listened to the new album by the smile yesterday, made by a known israel sympathizer and a guy who is at least married to a transphobe, but i guess i rationalize that bc radiohead's music has been a part of my life for so long that i'm always going to want to hear what they're up to and i just gotta hope they fix their hearts in the background of my mind while i'm listening

it is also incredibly easy to be a human being who does not follow graham linehan or like his tweets, because he has been advocating for my annihilation for like almost ten years at this point, maybe longer?

ivy., Wednesday, 31 January 2024 15:51 (four months ago) link

otm, and frankly, liking a tweet is not "guilt by association," it is a public endorsement of someone's speech / viewpoint. you can argue that shouldn't matter either, but it can't be dismissed as mere association

rob, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 15:58 (four months ago) link

when an artist reveals views like that, it just makes me question their entire public-facing persona, and the sincerity of their art. as if they're trying to con people into believing they're something more than basic bigots with a talent for melody. w/Roisin Murphy, it was probably even worse because her entire career was built upon this supposed embracing of the LGBTQ community, when she actually harbored these deeply ignorant ideas.

omar little, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 16:57 (four months ago) link

idk what TC did, said, or posted, but I vehemently disagree with framing this as a dispute over "trans rights," unless you think the right to "be alive" or receive appropriate medical care is best understood as a civil right

― rob, Wednesday, January 31, 2024 4:45 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't really know either so this was a shortcut, although you have me puzzled here. Right to life is a civil right. Health care is a social right.

Nabozo, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 18:38 (four months ago) link

Maybe this is a cultural difference, but the right to life is not a civil right in my world; it's usually framed as a natural or human right, when it's included in a rights-based analysis. Health care may get framed as a social right (though that's not a term I'm familiar with tbh), but given its direct connection to the right to life, to me it's closer to a human right.

But my point was more that this isn't a political debate over, for example, the right to not be discriminated against at work for being trans, it's a struggle against a deliberate campaign of extermination with the goal of eliminating (annihilating as ivy said) trans people entirely. IMO talking about that as "trans rights" is way overly generous to the fascists who welcome any fig leaf of respectability for their genocidal project.

rob, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 18:57 (four months ago) link

Civil and political VS economic, social and cultural are the two main categories of human rights for historical reasons, since there were two blocks at the time the Covenants elaborated on the Declaration. You're right that we don't really speak like that any more and just say human rights.

The special attention granted to LGBTQ people is under the angle of discrimination because the rest (protection from threats, hate speech etc) is presumably already covered unless you live in criminalizing countries... except of course that some states have proven to fail / be complicit and then it becomes a judicial battle to enforce. But speaking of rights is still correct imo.

Nabozo, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 20:13 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

Doesn’t reinvent the wheel but this is just a lovely album and so glad they’re back.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 6 May 2024 12:54 (three weeks ago) link

Just read discussion above and finding it hard to parse how lovely this is with her views.

Dan Worsley, Monday, 6 May 2024 13:00 (three weeks ago) link

people can be like that, encountered a lot of lovely doting moms of friends growing up who turned cold as ice the second they found out you didn't go to church

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 6 May 2024 13:44 (three weeks ago) link

people who suck ass can make pretty music, next

ivy., Monday, 6 May 2024 14:05 (three weeks ago) link

Are there any lyrical nods to 'recent events' as it were on this album

PaulTMA, Monday, 6 May 2024 22:28 (three weeks ago) link


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