Im nervous my ballot might include the entire downward spiral but we'll see
― gman59, Friday, 29 March 2024 15:54 (two months ago) link
it took me a few years to realize how good it was
― ivy., Friday, 29 March 2024 15:54 (two months ago) link
xp
― ivy., Friday, 29 March 2024 15:55 (two months ago) link
I'm just listening to hesitation marks for the first time, 'everything' stood out as being almost like... the beatles?!?!? ('almost' doing a lot of work there of course.)I owned every halo up to 11, then just stopped bothering, didn't even buy the fragile, though I'm reasonably familiar with it. maybe played the next two albums once or twice. I'll do my best to catch up over the next three weeks.
― gene besserit (ledge), Friday, 29 March 2024 16:01 (two months ago) link
I have a sense With Teeth might be A-tier and just caught me in an awkward post-fandom stage when I was too busy listening to Can or whatever.
― jmm, Friday, 29 March 2024 16:04 (two months ago) link
I'm going to have a lot of With Teeth tracks. I remember being really impressed by Hesitation Marks too but don't think I've heard anything since, except for an odd track or too that didn't leave much of an impression.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 29 March 2024 16:06 (two months ago) link
ivy’s five-point campaign for hesitation marks as the best nin album:
1. it’s the funkiest. maybe a side/meta argument i could make is that trent’s funkiness is what ultimately separates him from his peers in industrial/ -rock and -metal and is one of the reasons his music ended up being so successful. e.g. the sheer amount of space between the bass drum and the snare in “closer” and how it’s such a wide and unstable space it makes you want to snap your body in half from the intensity of the gravity
2. it’s the most minimal i.e. it does the most with the least. not that i’m looking for minimalism from nin (i am all about the brutality and anger being dramatically contrasted with the melancholic stillness and beauty) but what can i say it really fucking works when combined with the aforementioned funkiness, like watching a construction site come to life and breakdance
3. idk sometimes i can’t listen to the downward spiral or the fragile because they are consummate bummers, that’s why they’re so good obv, like the guy swam deep in the voidlike blackness of his own bullshit and resurfaced to tell us about it, and we recognized something in it in ourselves, and that very dynamic is the reason why i became a nine inch nails fan. but there’s something so much more I HATE TO SAY IT BUT mature about the way this album depicts the same feelings still following you even if they never quite take over entirely like they used to
4. prob the most instances of “this song ended in a very different place from where it started” on a nin album
5. i saw them twice in this period, first with gybe! and second with soundgarden, two of the best shows ive ever seen (obv, its nin). i took my mom with me both times. she got really into nin just from osmosis, a side-effect of raising a kid like me. they played “the hand that feeds” all the time on one of the music video channels i watched. it’s still her favorite song
― ivy., Friday, 29 March 2024 16:17 (two months ago) link
But I'm curious where the three most recent EPs will end up.Voting for at least 3 tracks from these. I like the post reunion stuff significantly higher than everything after TDS but pre breakup/pause. Tried With Teeth again a little while ago preparing to be pleasantly surprised and couldn’t even get through the whole thing.
“How the west was really won” from the Watchmen show is also top tier
― Doctor Madame Frances Experimento, LLC", Friday, 29 March 2024 16:27 (two months ago) link
the last three tracks on with teeth are really where it’s at
― ivy., Friday, 29 March 2024 16:28 (two months ago) link
The thing about Hesitation Marks (as I've said before) is that all the advance singles kinda sucked as singles, but worked brilliantly in the context of the whole album.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 29 March 2024 16:31 (two months ago) link
Are Reznor remixes in the running? His remix of Curve's "Missing Link" is pretty cool.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 March 2024 16:56 (two months ago) link
i'm not really expecting anyone to vote for the soundtracks that's more just there if anyone really wants to include them because they already have strong opinions
reznor remixes of others/self are eligible for the remixes poll
― ufo, Friday, 29 March 2024 18:05 (two months ago) link
the best track on with teeth is "all the love in the world"
bad witch is excellent and probably a top 4 release for me
― ufo, Friday, 29 March 2024 18:09 (two months ago) link
Oh right, listening to Bad Witch now and it's ringing a bell, sounds fantastic.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 29 March 2024 18:59 (two months ago) link
the whole Year Zero remixed album pretty much rules imo
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 21:15 (two months ago) link
i was starting to figure out my ballot last night and my top 10 might be just Broken minus “Pinion” lolBroken still goes, i love it so muchhhhhhh
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 21:17 (two months ago) link
i don't really care for broken beyond "wish" honestly
― ufo, Friday, 29 March 2024 21:43 (two months ago) link
(recoils)
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 March 2024 21:52 (two months ago) link
i enjoyed this comment on those kids doing a cover of Wish: “Fistbump… Thank god that little girl said Fistbump”
― orifex, Friday, 29 March 2024 22:00 (two months ago) link
the dfa influence is so strong on with teeth it's pretty funny. "only" especially
― ufo, Friday, 29 March 2024 22:11 (two months ago) link
Totally, so blatant but it works.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Friday, 29 March 2024 22:23 (two months ago) link
The Fragile: Deviations 1 > The Fragile imho, though there's a few songs that def benefit more from the vocals.
I feel I can play Deviations end to end with no need for skipping.
― octobeard, Friday, 29 March 2024 23:42 (two months ago) link
Years ago I made a custom mixtape of the Fragile I called "Center" (complete with outtro/intro editing to make it work as a fluid whole). Here's the track list:
The Way Out Is ThroughThe Day the World Went AwaySomewhat DamagedInto the VoidJust Like You ImaginedThe FragileThe FrailThe Big COme DownComplicationThe Mark Has Been Made10 Miles HighPilgrimageUnderneath It AllLa MerThe Great Below
This would possibly be my #1. Also it was truly tough picking The Way Out Is Through over Somewhat Damaged as an opener. They're both perfect for that.
― octobeard, Friday, 29 March 2024 23:45 (two months ago) link
One last thing - while it's a remix, this is the best song to have been released since The Fragile imho, the Fennesz remix of In This Twilight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NzfJeaFgOA
― octobeard, Friday, 29 March 2024 23:50 (two months ago) link
with teeth is just kinda bland overall though. if it leant into the dfa thing more it'd be better - more dance-punk-y stuff like "the hand that feeds"/"only" would have been better, "all the love in the world" (although it's great as is) should have gone full piano house, etc.
― ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 01:01 (two months ago) link
though "all the love in the world" is still really great, easily the best thing there
― ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 05:41 (two months ago) link
xp I heard With Teeth many years after release so I didn't peg the DFA influence until the way Trent sings the title of the album in the title track. Then I started to notice DFA in many other moments on the album
― Vinnie, Saturday, 30 March 2024 09:45 (two months ago) link
year zero on the other hand feels like an attempt at making homogenic into a rock album
the sound design & drum programming are consistently cool but the songs aren't consistently there
― ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 10:03 (two months ago) link
you can really tell the slip was recorded in only three weeks, the sound design is unusually really rough and ugly, the arrangements feel like rough drafts
but there is some good stuff there - i'd forgotten just how catchy "discipline" is for instance
― ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 10:44 (two months ago) link
the fennesz remix of "in this twilight" is fantastic yeah
― ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 11:02 (two months ago) link
xp I heard With Teeth many years after release so I didn't peg the DFA influence until the way Trent sings the title of the album in the title track. Then I started to notice DFA in many other moments on the album― Vinnie, Saturday, March 30, 2024 5:45 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Vinnie, Saturday, March 30, 2024 5:45 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I’m curious if there was any influence - I immediately caught the JM vocal tick on the title track but With Teeth only came out a few months after the LCD debut.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 30 March 2024 12:44 (two months ago) link
Hesitation Marks is convincing me that I need to get fully caught up. It's really good.
― jmm, Saturday, 30 March 2024 13:12 (two months ago) link
gonna listen to the how to destroy angels record today for prob the first time since it came out
― ivy., Saturday, 30 March 2024 14:24 (two months ago) link
hesitation marks is way better than i remember, easily the best proper album since the fragile, though it isn't on that level. the songs are consistently the strongest since then and it's full of interesting textures. it's also unusually uninterested in being a rock album, besides "everything" which is goofy and doesn't quite work
― ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 15:31 (two months ago) link
Ah, didn't realize that. But LCD's debut was years after their first single, so there was plenty of time for Trent to hear and incorporate Murphy's vocal tic. Or who knows, maybe they were both independently copying Mark E Smith
― Vinnie, Saturday, 30 March 2024 18:34 (two months ago) link
LCD would never copy anyone.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 March 2024 19:47 (two months ago) link
can i vote for halsey's "easier than lying"
― ivy., Saturday, 30 March 2024 19:50 (two months ago) link
production work for others is where i'm drawing the line and idk if there's really enough of it for a side poll of its own?
― ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 22:06 (two months ago) link
and yeah reznor obviously hadn't heard the lcd soundsystem debut when making with teeth but there had been that run of singles + other dfa productions, and i checked some interviews from the time and he's constantly talking about how much he likes lcd soundsystem lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5eIE9xpBH4
the dfa mix of "the hand that feeds" is nice enough too
― ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 22:11 (two months ago) link
if people do want a side poll for production work then i can do that though
― ufo, Saturday, 30 March 2024 22:14 (two months ago) link
Was relistening to TDS for the poll and wondered how many of us were introduced to that Eno ambient sound through “A Warm Place”
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 31 March 2024 02:31 (two months ago) link
Or how many people were introduced to the David Bowie deep cut it cops?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm2ciX0_UP8
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 March 2024 02:52 (two months ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvmzwPiZzMM
if a how to destroy angels track makes my ballot, it'll be "too late, all gone"
― ivy., Sunday, 31 March 2024 14:42 (two months ago) link
So what's the verdict with At the Heart of It All? 100% written by RDJ, not a remix of any NIN song, just a contributed track. Beauty of Being Numb's 1st half credits the whole band including Trent, despite the latter half also being 100% RDJ. Latter seems like a "remix" or collab, but the former? Can we slot it in our song ballots despite its only NIN accreditation being its existence on Further Down the Spiral?
― octobeard, Monday, 1 April 2024 06:45 (two months ago) link
the first part of "the beauty of being numb" is derived from "mr. self destruct" so it's fine to include as a remix even though the second part is just an original aphex twin piece
i think that "at the heart of it all" can count as a remix too if you really really want it to, since that's what it was originally presented as, but not for the main tracks poll
― ufo, Monday, 1 April 2024 06:57 (two months ago) link
"While I'm Still Here"/"Black Noise" is my new favourite NIN song.
― jmm, Monday, 1 April 2024 13:33 (two months ago) link
otm
― ivy., Monday, 1 April 2024 13:36 (two months ago) link
not an experienced nin-er but am planning to dive deep and put a ballot together for this.
anyone have the story as to why there are two distinct versions of phm on streaming services with different covers but essentially the same tracklist?
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 April 2024 13:38 (two months ago) link
one is just the 2010 remaster iirc
― ufo, Monday, 1 April 2024 13:43 (two months ago) link
are there big differences? seems kinda dramatic to do away with the color palette haha
― the defenestration of prog (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 April 2024 13:58 (two months ago) link
with nin cutting is inevitable (terrible joek sorry sorry i’ll go now)
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 April 2024 21:34 (one month ago) link
my ballot has a lot of hesitation marks
― ivy., Saturday, 20 April 2024 21:36 (one month ago) link
same lol
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 April 2024 21:40 (one month ago) link
I forgot all about “Everything”, it seems!
This is my least favorite song by far on that album. Just doesn't even sound like NIN to me.
― octobeard, Saturday, 20 April 2024 22:22 (one month ago) link
can i just say that "suck" is an amazing song and cutting it from my ballot was heartbreaking
It really is! My 2nd fav on Broken behind Happiness in Slavery. It is insanely funky
― octobeard, Saturday, 20 April 2024 22:26 (one month ago) link
Just doesn't even sound like NIN to me.
which is why i put it high up on my ballot! it def *sounds* like NIN, but feels not so much like a NIN song for me. it was like the first time i heard Into The Void. it just didn't sound like the typical type of song he would write, and it was great!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 21 April 2024 01:09 (one month ago) link
What's the new deadline for this?
― beard papa, Sunday, 21 April 2024 02:51 (one month ago) link
roughly 12:01 am monday gmt
― ufo, Sunday, 21 April 2024 03:02 (one month ago) link
Just want to say that I have really enjoyed trying to get my thoughts in order for this poll. NIN are in this sweet spot for me where I am deeply familiar with enough of the music that it feels worthwhile to try to engage with the process properly, but unfamiliar with enough of it that the engagement has also been a total voyage of discovery.
― Tim F, Sunday, 21 April 2024 03:40 (one month ago) link
ballot sent and almost before realizing my selection pool had nothing from phm or the fragile.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 21 April 2024 06:23 (one month ago) link
there is still time for ballots for a bit longer still
― ufo, Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:51 (one month ago) link
So you can vote for this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mGaoMBlUbU
or this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLPcE-5YWKI
― Vernon Locke, Monday, 22 April 2024 00:00 (one month ago) link
i think i'm still waiting on a ballot from western with bacon flavor, is there anyone else?
― ufo, Monday, 22 April 2024 01:05 (one month ago) link
I just want to say thanks ufo for keeping this ILM madness going.
NIN isn't one of my bands but looking forward to the playlist.
― Bee OK, Monday, 22 April 2024 02:24 (one month ago) link
xp you got mine - i was the jerk with "the frail/wretched" as one song
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 22 April 2024 03:19 (one month ago) link
ah ok!
we have 20 ballots now which is alright. i don't think there's any outstanding?
― ufo, Monday, 22 April 2024 03:42 (one month ago) link
ok poll's closed. rollout will be sometime soon but idk exactly when yet
― ufo, Monday, 22 April 2024 04:01 (one month ago) link
how many ballots did u end up with??
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 April 2024 04:25 (one month ago) link
oh lol nvm i can totally read i swear
I meant to vote in this, but just couldn't get it together in time. Looking forward to the rollout!
― beard papa, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:46 (one month ago) link
I was right *there* for NIN: into plenty of adjacent bands, danced to Head Like A Hole at various appalling indie clubs, and was friends with people who had the Reznor aesthetic in their bones (and on their feet) but the band somehow totally passed me by. Am here for the rollout.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:07 (one month ago) link
the results rollout is underway!And POLL That Could Have Been: ILM Artist Poll #119 - Nine Inch Nails - RESULTS
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 00:52 (one month ago) link
pic.twitter.com/5WYY3MQOmh— 𝐌𝐀𝐋𝐄 𝐓𝐄𝐀𝐑𝐒 (@maletearsmusicx) May 20, 2024
― ivy., Tuesday, 21 May 2024 16:21 (one week ago) link