can i tell you guys a secret?
beyonce being compared to the lumineers is incredibly congruent to how i've felt about her since the beginning. the way you guys cringe at the intentionally overbearing nature of everything about the stupid fucking corny ass lumineers perfectly articulates how i've always felt about beyonce. no malice, it's just music for a different audience.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 17:42 (one month ago) link
xpost Also the first line negates the title. It's like "I ain't single. I ain't a lady."
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 17:44 (one month ago) link
the difference is that beyonce is usually good to listen to
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 17:45 (one month ago) link
Lumineers only have like one corny type of song tho, Beyonce knows how to be corny in different styles.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:01 (one month ago) link
CRTL-F "New Jersey" not found
― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:03 (one month ago) link
My daddy Alabama, Momma LouisianaMy album New Jersey
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:05 (one month ago) link
Sorry need to catch up on the posts in this thread but don't want to bias my thoughts. Will report back once I've read thru but...
I've listened to this album twice, and while I need more time to absorb it -- especially the second half -- my initial listens suggest this is the worst Beyonce album since B'Day, which is when I started really listening to her albums. Maybe my expectations were all wrong? I agree with a lot of what Yasmin Williams tweeted the day after the release and put in her Guardian essay, but mainly just wish the songs were a whole lot stronger! I wonder what this would have sounded like if she'd worked with actual country songwriters like Liz Rose, Luke Laird, Natalie Hemby, Brandy Clark, Chris Stapleton, Shane McAnally, etc. I see Cam got a songwriting credit on the opener but otherwise the vast majority of the personnel has little experience with the genre, and it just seems very at odds with the approach she took with Renaissance? I'm listening to Lemonade right now and every song and hook is so much stronger than the vast majority of Cowboy Carter. "Daddy Lessons" would be a highlight here!
― Indexed, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:13 (one month ago) link
Lemonade is her best album tho
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:27 (one month ago) link
Daddy Issues would have easily been a top 3 song in here. Hell maybe the best one.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:28 (one month ago) link
The Miley song sounds like it's underwritten? idk it feels like it's missing a piece. A near triumph.
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:31 (one month ago) link
so is this her Young Americans
I don't know. Not one damn song made me break down and cry.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:46 (one month ago) link
^^ such a wonderful person but ya got problems
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:48 (one month ago) link
i think one of the reasons why "II hands II heaven" really hits for me is that there is not a lot of subtext to beyoncé's music these days, very little mystery. each of the last two albums has been accompanied by mission statements laying out their inspirations and contexts both personally and culturally; downstream of this, whatever subtext may exist is excavated by critics, academics, twitter posters etc. the reviews of these albums are stuffed w/ references to the work of other artists, as are the albums themselves of course. this isn't a criticism necessarily, i think her revealing more of her personal history in reference to renaissance only deepened my appreciation of the album, and her ability to connect cultural/historical/sociological dots thru her music is pretty much bar none in pop music currently. i think it's all less successful on this album but whatever
all to say that to me the gay subtext of "II hands" gives it a certain frisson that is not really present on much of either album. very little is happening offscreen on these records, so to speak, but here it's all gestures and nods to hidden layers of a relationship, something understood only between the two characters in the song. doreen st felix's review calls the song "wholesome" which... idk! i don't get that personally, yet i can see reading the lyrics and feeling a lot is being left unsaid before it gets to... unwholesomeness. but to me that's what makes it stand out. i think it's a pretty steamy song bcuz of what the tone & texture of their vocals and interplay between them is suggesting but the lyrics aren't quite spelling out.
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 4 April 2024 16:39 (one month ago) link
I'm not seeing what the big deal is about the changed lyrics to Jolene, though I've seen plenty of people shitting themselves in anger them (granted it was on the hoffman forums)
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 4 April 2024 23:47 (one month ago) link
I don't mind that she rewrote the words, but I do mind that she made them worse and not in an interesting way.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 5 April 2024 00:13 (one month ago) link
here's someone explaining Blackbird to the guy who wrote it: https://imgur.com/gallery/1Gp5xia
― StanM, Friday, 5 April 2024 01:03 (one month ago) link
lmao
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 5 April 2024 02:37 (one month ago) link
Sorry Macca but Ebony and Ivory is about a piano
― President Keyes, Friday, 5 April 2024 03:00 (one month ago) link
Regardless of Jolene lyrics being switched for the worse, I think both the Blackbird and Jolene covers are super boring choices to cover and the execution doesn’t do anything interesting either. Blackbird is pretty much a karaoke version… with a fucking great singer, yes.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 5 April 2024 03:04 (one month ago) link
I think Blackbird's lovely. It is weird as the second track though, it needs to be tucked in the middle somewhere.
I don't care about the lyrics in Jolene but the singing feels boring and rigid - there's no swing in it. I'm not that familiar with 2010s and 20s Beyonce but does she usually sound so over-formal?
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 5 April 2024 10:16 (one month ago) link
Sonically I prefer "Blackbird" to "Jolene" -- it's an all-time beautiful song; personally I love that she used the original master recording and sang it straight. It sounds lovely.
But agree it doesn't "fit" sonically as the second track, and that's because I interpret its position on the record as an egregiously obvious and literal statement of intent, not one that was decided because it made sense in the sequencing as a listening experience. Here's a song called "Blackbird" where the lyrics literally say "Blackbird singing in the dead of night" and we'll feature a bunch of under-appreciated black female country singers! The whole album plays to me as a jumbled mess that's connected by a few very literal skits and ideas.
― Indexed, Friday, 5 April 2024 15:26 (one month ago) link
so a concept album basically
― President Keyes, Friday, 5 April 2024 15:30 (one month ago) link
« Ya Ya » is such a joyful storm. It’s like a distant cousin of « Get Me Bodied »
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 5 April 2024 15:36 (one month ago) link