bands/acts with significant fanbases who seem to be from a parallel universe

I learned yesterday that several of my siblings are big Noah Kahan fans. I'd never heard of him in my life.

I work with a small team of 20-somethings, I'm going to run the 'how many acts do you recognize on schedule for the 2500 cap venue in town?' experiment this week.

Noah Kahan- Call Your Mom

Noah Kahan- Dial Drunk

Noah Kahan- She Calls Me Back

I asked a youngish co-worker a while back if he'd heard of Black Country, New Road, because I had a hard time believing they were really famous and not just some RYM thing. but indeed they are huge.

RYM's 2024 top 40: I count six artists I have heard of. Yet I suspect the majority of these acts might be older than me.

I knew 8 of the 40

lol 12 for me, that will also be a good resource for my young person experiments.

Actually seven for me, I missed Adrianne Lenker right at the start

I work with a lot of young people at both jobs and it is always interesting to see what they're into.

I also remembered an early time this happened to me and it was circa 2000 or so, when I was certifiably young.

I was working as music editor/writer at a weekly and I interviewed a musician who was coming to play in town -- John Vanderslice. I had enjoyed what I heard of his album he was promoting, so I went to the show and introduced myself. I can't remember exactly how the question came up, but we were talking about bands we were obsessed with and he said Mountain Goats, who he described as having an ardent and sizeable fanbase. I had literally never heard of the Mountain Goats. Then he told me it was really one guy and I was like oh ok.

(Side note: Millions of years later, I saw JD at my current workplace when he played there to a sold out and super ardent crowd and thought of that time all those years ago. Also just looked up Vanderslice and he is still at it! And actually older than me?!?! Wow)

I can't help but think that the thing I am talking about with the parallel universe feeling is more a feature of siloing than age -- I get recommended all kinds of unfamiliar stuff on spotify due to playlists for various things like camp playlists or playlists for songs my students analyze in class. Hence, somehow, I know who Melanie Martinez is.

Looking through the upcoming indie shows in Philly--the ones that are already sold out are:

Ray Bull
Owen
Spraynard
Orchid

more a feature of siloing than age

absolutely agree, this all goes along with the fragmenting/balkanization of music scenes/fanbases in general

We're Ray Bull, the indie pop duo from Brooklyn. Along with being an emerging indie band, we are content creators and influencers.

cool, bruh.

Can you guys feature my hydration drink at your merch table?

this was my feeling re: Lorna Shore. like...I didn't even hear that name until 2022. the band Aborted was an opening act at a show and dad was in respite care so I had a free night to do something and I went to go get a ticket and it said sold out, and I was like what, and I said who the fuck is the headliner that sold THIS venue out, and I look, and it's Lorna Shore, and I'm like Lorna who?

only to find I have several friends into them talking about OMG LIKE I WOULDN'T BE GOING TO THIS SHOW OF THE YEAR, BEEN WAITING A LIFETIME FOR THIS type posts. and after that, I couldn't stop hearing about them from any friend who was into deathcore, seeing memes about them on social media, having friends go to see them and sharing videos, even having a stranger at a bar tell me "OH YR INTO METAL? I JUST SAW LORNA SHORE". and they weren't a new band, had been around since 2009.

I know they're not big like the other examples itt but was pointing out that even though I'm not into deathCORE, it's adjacent to the music I listen to the most and even though I hate most deathcore, I'm very aware of the biggest players in the genre, and yet one of the biggest of them all completely slipped by me even while I was actively paying attention. like they were retroactively invented and everybody knew but me.

also they suck.

i think it's definitely siloing, to echo the posts upthread

right, I mean I don't think I've ever really been aware of what was popular. closest I came was probably in like 2007 when LCD Soundsystem suddenly became one of the biggest bands in the country.

like I feel like the phenomenon is less "big successful act that I somehow hadn't heard of" and more "act that seemed like something I would have encountered prior to now if they truly are as big as people say, to where I think this is some Twilight Zone trick where like they actually didn't exist before 5 minutes ago and suddenly poof they've always been here and only I didn't know"

What I’m more fascinated by is how so many of these people use their utterly unremarkable names instead of some cool stage name.

Just remembered Jeff “Guitar” Elliot from that classic “Name Bands at an Open Mic Night“ thread

(xp) Where are the Engelbert Humperdincks of today?

still love that Michael Bolton's real name is Michael Bolotin

He goes Country: Michael Bolotie

For me this is Fink. A few years ago I noticed that he was playing mid-size venues all over Europe and I had never heard of him. I started a thread about him but it got no replies at all.

Is that the Ninja Tune guy?

when LCD Soundsystem suddenly became one of the biggest bands in the country

Did this even really happen? I always got the impression that LCD Soundsystem were arena-sized in NYC, because that's where all the music critics and middle-aged tastemakers lived, but in the rest of America they were a 1000-1500 cap room act at best.

they were in between those two categories, i think. LCD played the 5,000-seat Aragon Ballroom when they were in chicago in 2010

had an album that peaked at #10 on the charts that year--not exactly a big arena act but good mid-sized fanbase

their fans are lowest common denominator imo

rym test: heard of 18, heard 12 (still need to press play on that adrienne lenker record!)

re: lcd soundsystem you can argue that their stint as one of the biggest bands in the world came 10 years after their supposed heyday, when they headlined a summer's worth of festivals, including coachella

my latest radio station chart just came out, here are the acts in the top ten I have never heard of:

Jalen Ngonda
Arlo Parks
Crumb
Alison Goldfrapp
Willow Avalon

Wasn't Alison Goldfrapp in a popular electronic group? I can't remember their name.

haha I was not sure if there was any relation there

Arlo Parks is one of those British singers who wins Mercury prizes

I feel like part of this phenom is a mundane test of whether you remember names of musicians and bands you've never actually heard. Like I recognize the artist names for 14 of the RYM albums but have only actually listened to the Freitas so far (sorry, Judas Priest!), whereas I assume most other people don't retain that kind of info, it being mostly useless

but more thread relevant, there are definitely silos I'm aware of and don't bother entering. e.g., I have essentially zero interest in any shoegaze revival stuff having been infatuated with that sound as a teen

You haven't heard any Priest? These guys would like a word with you:

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I was gonna clarify that I meant I haven't heard *that* JP album, but tbh I don't recall ever willingly listening to them, and nor have I ever gotten around to seeing HMP!

Feel like in addition to their standard rep, Odesza has a kind of secondary rep for eliciting this response in people - to the extent that Stereogum did some junior anthropology on the subject:
https://www.stereogum.com/2224663/its-odesza-szn-who-are-odesza/columns/sounding-board/

this has always been the case for me living in salt lake city. everyone here seems to live in an alternate universe especially wrt electronic and dance music. i still don't understand how it all works but burning man, electric daisy carnival, edm and dubstep, etc, are influential. there's this pretty electronic downtempo group i forget the name of, not bonobo, someone else - they're huge here. mention critic favorite acts to anyone here and you get a blank stare. i think hype works differently in red states, it's outside the usual media outlets maybe. though there does seem to be more crossover lately just scanning the names on some of the festivals, and like i notice that resident advisor is a thing among the "cool dance music" crowd when no one cared about it 15 years ago. i used to be ashamed by that but now, idk, i like that network effects are heterogeneous enough that there are still mysteries all the time. just because something is outside of my bubble doesn't mean it's a gaping void you know? and the older i get the more i feel that there's a lot inside that bubble that is a gaping void.

na was saying something about how being out of touch means that you're just more efficient about what you like - something to that effect. i do have my tastes and my 'holy acts' and so forth but i also find it really rewarding to check out this kind of stuff that's outside of any of my network channels because it says something about young people making music and art today, what that looks like, what the values are, how they're the same or different than what they used to be. i like to visit that stuff, even if ultimately i don't find something really valuable to me, because it makes me feel less alienated. and occasionally i turn up something new that really does speak to me, and that's kind of exhilarating.

Me too, that’s the joy of musical discovery. Interesting about red/blue states — I haven’t lived in a red state in 20+ years and I guess it shows lol.
The closest thing to what I’m talking about is that Odesza post above. I think of those bands as festival circuit bands and I rarely know any of them.

But they obviously have tons of fans and are v successful in their parallel universe that briefly intersects w mine.

I did have a hilarious convo w two coworkers, aged 18 and 26, wherein I sincerely thought they were telling me about a musical artist named Taymin Pollack who they claimed EVERYBODY knew but you can guess what they were talking about, who I had heard of but was not a fan of. Love it when worlds collide and weird shit happens.

lol that took me a sec

...yeah, me too

xp lol odesza! that is who i was thinking of

literally the post above mine sheesh

and oh my god if i see the word 'szn' again i'm going to claw my eyes out, an innocuous thing that makes me irrationally angry for sure

Smz rznbl 2 me

despite usually finding out artists that fall into this category are either: bad idm, bad metal (hello sleep token), bad singer songwriters or jam bands (bad) - i still love this - because it's yet more evidence that there is no consensus, no more monoculture. bands can be hugely successful to people who love them without any obvious media attention. and if it does anything to speed up people finally letting go of the idea that there is any value in, or need to, "be in the know", all the better.

She's about 3 times as popular as Phoebe Bridgers on Spotify

what the kids, who are wrong, not me, don't understand is that be the cowboy is peak

I don't get how that translates to the sheer number of Spotify plays her songs have

She's about 3 times as popular as Phoebe Bridgers on Spotify

Four out of five of her Spotify listener locations are in Indonesia, the Philippines, and Malaysia. Like, if Wikipedia population #s are right, somewhere between ~1 out of every 10 or 35 people in Jakarta listen to her.

There's an article about Khruangbin in the New York Times this week. (Gift link.)

This Jacob Collier person keeps showing up in guitar trash youtube shows I watch. I have no idea who he is, but popularity is implied.

Cigarettes After Sex have been blowing up. Two years ago, they played DC at the 9:30 club (1,200 capacity). Last year, they upgraded to Anthem (6,000 capacity).

I knew this band had a sizeable fanbase, but I was shocked to see the listing for their upcoming show at Rogers Arena in Vancouver (19,000; other upcoming shows there include Olivia Rodrigo, Pearl Jam, Justin Timberlake, Snoop Dogg...)

Was also kind of surprised when The 1975 were at the same venue last fall.

I feel like ILM voting Real Lies AOTY and them having zero coverage anywhere else is our own microcosm of this phenomenon

feeling this way about Chappell Roan who seems to be everywhere right now, and I still have no idea who she is. my stepkid listens to some band called The Neighbourhood who also seems to have a weirdly massive fanbase.

then there's former youtubers like Conan Gray who I've been aware of for years but have never knowingly heard a note of their music, and it's mostly because he always seems to be hanging in the background around other bigger popstars.

Roan got a big popularity boost for opening the first half of the Olivia Rodrigo tour, but I knew about her because she already had an ILX thread!

This Jacob Collier person keeps showing up in guitar trash youtube shows I watch. I have no idea who he is, but popularity is implied.

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Nor did I until a few years ago when a few close friends had already, passionately, settled on him as the absolute worst. So much so that it drove me to hear his latest album at the time (Djesse Vol 3). I didn't think it was up to much but nor did I quite hear why it/he angered my friends so. But he gets nominated for Grammys a lot right?

I don't hate or even dislike him. Maybe I don't know him well enough. But he dresses like Pauly Shore and pulls out multiple name guitars which were custom made for him, yet I have no idea who he is. The stuff he plays while noodling around on said trash guitar youtubes is pretty, and he seems to know what he's up to.

He's a favored disciple of Quincy Jones and Herbie Hancock because of his grasp of harmony and virtuosity (and probably because he made himself a youtube star through being conventionally virtuosic), made a bunch of videos playing all the instruments, and makes fucking terrible music. Sort of the apotheosis of the Youtube-era virtuoso musician who has been able to absorb a huge amount of musical information, but without the unique aesthetic of a Louis Cole or Domi & JD Beck, or respect for minimalism and funk of a Vulfpeck.

For me it's when I think I've discovered some deeply obscure or underground act only to find they're bloody huge, verging on mainstream. Happens a lot with Afrobeats stuff especially.

xp ok, guitar youtubes make sense theb. To clarify, he dresses like Pauly Shore would dress in colder weather. If there's a movie where Pauly lands an internship in the Big City or must face mountain nature.

so many hip hop people i've never heard of with 50 zillion views. but they can also come and go pretty fast.

can't believe nobody's mentioned ICP yet

never heard of them

haha I think most ppl have accepted ICP as part of the consensus reality universe

people cutting Jacob Collier a break now? ILX really is losing its touch

Shakey Jake Collier

that's a roundabout way of admitting you like Pauly's style

Why has no one mentioned Juggalos?

I learned yesterday that several of my siblings are big Noah Kahan fans. I'd never heard of him in my life.

This guy's headlining two (2) nights at the Hollywood Bowl this summer... I had also never heard of him, tho he and Olivia Rodrigo are releasing a split single (for RSD) covering each other's songs.

(thread fave Khruangbin are also headlining two nights at the Bowl)

its a new world order.

What we are looking at is good and evil, right and wrong

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Tony's Ultimate Sacrifice is the name of my No Doubt tribute band, btw

i don't know that fans of the extremely popular marvel movie franchise count as being from a parallel universe

Earth 619

the bad earth

Billy Strings has gotten pretty popular but he is playing two nights at Rupp arena in Lexington in June, which I found surprising.

(Thought Khruangbin's Coachella set was fantastic on the livestream, but I won't try converting the unconvertible.)