Post a controversial music opinion

Yeah

Troye Sivan is a better guitarist than Jimmy Page.

LOL

there are more chords, key changes, and tempo changes in The Beths' "Future Hates Me" than there are in the Cardiacs' entire discography

king sucks

I don't want to think about this, fortunately I made a bot for it. let's see what it comes up with:

"Is This It is the sonic equivalent of ghosting."

There were, at minimum, a couple dozen albums released in '67 which are better than Sgt. Pepper.

That's not controversial.

R.E.M. is actually really boring

wow, thread finally delivers

I liked R.E.M. a lot in high school and they are all smart, nice guys with good taste but man, I just never want to listen to them anymore. Somewhere around Monster I lost all interest. the limited guitar playing and lack of sonic depth, the boring arrangements, the mewling vocals, the poor production choices and terrible mandolin playing and clunky videos, their catalog feels very inert to me.

like at best I can muster a "yeah that song's okay" for a number of tracks. but a whole album? ew, just never in the mood.

Most bands are boring tbh

all bands are excellent

^^^^

rt

not all bands

bandsplaining

All duos are terrible.

All bands except R.E.M. are excellent

more like blands amirite

Any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but truly experienced - the necessity of dodecaphonic music is USELESS.

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

All duos are terrible.

All solo artists are cowards.

lol

All trios are Norwegian.

All ILM posters are liars

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 1:03 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have a constantly running loop of that lebowski clip in my head, but never more than last night when I was in a duane reade after hell commute that was playing take it easy

jmm otm

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet

the eagles are good

i can't tell you why is really good

other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman

The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.

that's not controversial, it's just wrong

the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.

High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.

I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh

No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.

xps

There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.

The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.

Can't think of any.

Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.

Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?

Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.

that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome

Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.

It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."

Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM

We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.

you could make a dud list for most anybody

you could make an amazing 5-CD box of the stuff he produced/arranged/wrote/performed before you even get to Bread. pretty amazing career.

plus, david gates made all those cool surf records with the wrecking crew. did America make cool surf records with glenn campbell and leon russell and hal blaine? i don't think they did.

https://i.discogs.com/rZYjhEmORe7x2LPjdepPyCR9eY0qX_a3bPNd6b3coxU/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:597/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTIzOTg4/MjktMTYxNzczMDYy/OC0yMjcyLmpwZWc.jpeg

https://i.discogs.com/RuMZQZCn5l1gNbA1dIR_fFXVL2PDpW_ZhGZFsgc2q0M/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTI1ODU4/NjUtMTU3MTU4MjYy/OS0xMTEwLmpwZWc.jpeg

https://i.discogs.com/IXN0tE8mBWtc40aJXHN6HQ_EKvrbhG9s3tcD7CCmZ_4/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTI5NDc3/NDItMTUyNDQ0MzM4/Ni02MTY2LmpwZWc.jpeg

actually i have no idea what america was doing before america.

back when david gates and leon russell were the fencemen.

https://i.discogs.com/HBJ0bCxE4eUmu64KRbXbh7rbWINkjB98W84fUW5AiF0/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:591/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE1NjQ2/ODA5LTE1OTUxNjc2/NjQtMjUyNS5qcGVn.jpeg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdKiOocYCk4

enh, you're right. dewey and the gang were certainly not songwriting studio dwelling pros. they were coffee shoppers who somehow got lucky enough to get george martin's attention occasionally.

Good collection from Australia:

David Gates - The Early Years 1962-1967

Url: https://www.discogs.com/release/9963232-David-Gates-The-Early-Years-1962-1967

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOHe8uJXwAAxc3_?format=jpg&name=900x900

am i doing this right

most people on this board will agree with you

i've never listened to the chronic. i'm more of a nate dogg fan. i love those other ones though.

i've never listened to doggystyle either. i'm more of a Above The Law kinda person. i do like "gin and juice".

that looks to be an excerpt from the list "boring ass mainstream classics that i don't want to ever hear or hear about ever again ever"

but ya i'd agree with those rankings, generally speaking.

The only one of those albums I've heard front to back is 1989, so I have no idea how I'd rank them, but The Chronic is the one I'd be most likely to listen to, so I guess I'd put that on top.

i do v much appreciate the based controp energy of putting the beatles immediately below all of those because fuck the stupid fucking bratles.

that wasn't a typo, this is the controp thread 8)

xp re slovenly: weird that Thinking Of Empire is missing from spotify as all their other SST albums are up. it might be my favourite of their albums and may have the most appeal for your average indie/post-punk fan?

Thinking of Empire was never released on CD, which probably has something to do with it. Though there was a Saint Vitus album (I want to say the second one, Hallows Victim?) that suddenly appeared on CD a few years ago when Greg realised he could sell a few, I guess?

the band should get the new alliance stuff reissued at least (mostly because “sic/think” is secretly their best song and dammit, what a mood!).

Well, that’s why I did a little shopping around on Discogs a year into the pandemic and got some near-mint copies of their three New Alliance records for pretty reasonable prices (and a not-quite-mint copy of Drive It Home, Abbernathy).

do people actually prefer 1989 (taylor's version) to 1989 or are they just kissing the ring?

David Gates WAY more talented than Dr. Dre.

wrecking crew -vs- world class wreckin cru

hollywood -vs- compton fiiiiiiiite!!!

xp that made me lol, too. it's the worst (Taylor's Version) relative to the original to my ears.

wrecking crew -vs- world class wreckin cru

hollywood -vs- compton fiiiiiiiite!!!

― scott seward, Tuesday, May 21, 2024 10:51 AM (thirty-two minutes ago)

Had to rack my brain but Jimmy Zavala played with both Jeff Skunk Baxter (on RStewart's Tonight I'm Yours) as well as with Dr. Dre on Efil4zaggin.

its a small world after all.

Best of Bread much bester than America's Greatest Hits. America is all glopped up with CSN harmonies, not the Neil whine of the biggest hit. Best of Bread also has that old San Diego Padres typeface that I love. But across both records, so many gentle exhortations to lay down together, I gotta pour out the snifter of Harvey's Bristol Cream and ruin the shag carpet in front of the fireplace and leave for now.

Best of Bread also has that old San Diego Padres typeface that I love

b a d r e

i didn't realize that the guy from the avalanches went on to be in bread (to say nothing of all the other connections). i love learning about shit like that. thanks scott. i will report back if i end up liking bread.

thought being in bread involved how you came into the world

scott you should listen to the chronic

co-sign would watch a first reaction vid

the best wipers music came out after over the edge

Please elaborate. I love the Wipers up to OTE but have heard very little of their stuff after that

Moodier, surfier, more melodic, more atmospheric, more soulful, less punky

start with the circle I guess but it’s all great!

The Greg solo album from 85 is also fantastic

most def! and his other solo album sacrifice rules too

They never made a bad album. Real shame Greg seemed to just quit music at the turn of the millennium

a friend turned me on to the solo records. what a revelation, they’re so good

My possibly controversial opinion: I can't believe that I am saying this, but there are too many pads/drones in music these days. Maybe watching too many Youtube tutorials on how to make awesome pads with free software synths have made them less special to my ears.

on a similar note...

jazz: good
ambient: good
ambient jazz: enough already

the true ambient jazz = weather channel music

RIP the weather channel tho

yeah or like real ambient jazz to me is like those benny goodman recordings with lionel hampton, or like modern jazz quartet. that stuff rules.

wait i thought "ambient jazz" was like in a silent way and ecm-core?

yeah, I like those things. Jon Hassell too. But I have grown increasingly weary of post-Sam Gendel, vintage synth plugins + noodly sax new age wellness vibes. My free jazz fandom peaked and then ebbed about 20 years ago, but lately I've been coming back to it because stuff like Charles Gayle and Arthur Doyle feels like a cleanse, like burning sage or something

see also the postpandemic surge of interest in ambient & new age

Shabaka Hutchings' bamboo flute direction is pretty dull.

my own personal ambient jazz type fave would be something like Khan Jamal's Infinity album, but he mined a particular vein that is definitely not too new agey.

beethoven was an incel

lol fine work, kate! his immortal beloved was all, "cool song gotta go wash my hair bye"

and then ludwig was all, "WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING WHAT'D YOU SAY?" oh, the tragedy of it all. also onethread- speaking of assassainating historical figures for chaotic neutral purposes: see ya later, bach!

Historians are pretty sure LvB patronized brothels, which incels don’t even do.

I don't have any take on this question, just wanted to put my support behind calling him "LvB"

House of LvB

Ludvig vs. Bear

House of LvB

― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain)

destroy the house of LvB

Historians are pretty sure LvB patronized brothels, which incels don’t even do.

― Bad Bairns (Boring, Maryland)

i mean fair

blah blah blah material conditions

my larger point is that he was basically incapable of forming meaningful interpersonal relationships. we have one letter, possibly unsent and look

if i'd gotten that letter i would work really really hard to avoid the dude

it's "romantic" to me in about the same way "every breath you take" is "romantic"

new proposal, rename the "Romantic Era" to the "Stalker Era"

if you think i'm being too harsh, take a look at what that scumbag motherfucker did to his nephew

absolute garbage human being

good composer tho. too bad he took a decade off from composing to abuse his nephew.