Pretty Minimalism S/D

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i'm in finals, i have a lot to do, i like to have music on. but it can't be too distracting. reich's music for 18 musicians has been my 'homework record' for years. pretty, maybe a little schmaltzy, rewarding even if you can't give it much attention, can repeat for hours and doesn't get exhausted...well until recently. i need more!

so tell me of more nice pastel 'lost in the tunnel of the mind' shit like that, or whatever music you like when you have a lot of pain-in-the-ass reading or work in front of you.

g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

the ultimate studying/reading/zoning music: gas - pop

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Heh, when I clicked on this thread, I thought to myself, "I'll just say Music for 18 Musicians, easy enough." I'd like recommendations in this area, too.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

i suppose i should pick up 'in c' as well.

g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

On Land by Eno?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

duh, eno! thx everyone, will check that gas thing out too. now post more so i can not work more.

g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was going to say Jon Hassel/Eno Fourth World Vol. 1 Possible Worlds.

I used to sometimes play a tape of classical Japanese koto music while studying, which worked for me. (It died on me and I can't give a specific title.)

Also the contemporary gamelan CD Sankgala! worked pretty well, though to this day I'm not sure what I think of it.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 15 December 2003 03:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah eno's pretty much made for this geoff, esp. music for airports, discreet music, thursday afternoon and possibly even neroli

also seek: harold budd's 'the room' and 'the pearl'

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

a lot of pop ambient would do the trick too

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

i have some eno but it's his rock stuff and on vinyl (getting up every 20 mins = bad studying) (ilx = no studying)

g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

those four albums i mentioned are a cumulative 7-8 tracks i think

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

I remember playing Let's Active's Cypress a lot while studying, as well. That may have just been an idiosyncratic thing. Also, it has vocals and everything, not mention that it's rare now.

As a rule, while studying I used to often listen to not excessively noisey things I didn't really like that much, but that I didn't hate either. And then sometimes I would get to like them, as a side effect.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 15 December 2003 03:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

i suppose i should pick up 'in c' as well.

i would say nay on this one. it's actually kinda distracting and less pretty than you would think

JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

(& it's not pretty minimalism.)

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 15 December 2003 03:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Check Mileece's Formations. It's not really "minimalist" music, but it would work for this thread.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

also on that tip: lullatone's computer recital

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oval: 94diskont, Thrill Jockey
Christopher Willits: Folding, and the Tea, 12k
Windy & Carl: Conciousness, Kranky

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

That was meant to modify my comments on Cypress, but it might work for In C as well. I agree, there's something about In C that's a bit distracting. Sri Camel would be a better choice.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 15 December 2003 03:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, and the record Formations reminds me of: Terry Riley's Rainbow in Curved Air.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

??

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 15 December 2003 03:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

you talkin to me?

dleone (dleone), Monday, 15 December 2003 04:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

What about Farben's Textstar or one of the other Jan Jelinek long-players? Might make you shake yer booty too much though...

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Monday, 15 December 2003 04:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

John Cage's "Silence" can be good. Really depends on the audience though.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 15 December 2003 04:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should have a look at this thread:

Taking Homework, To Make Records, To Do Homework To

Not neccessarily minimal, but there are some good suggestions there.

Elliot (Elliot), Monday, 15 December 2003 04:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

suspension - oren ambarchi

gaz (gaz), Monday, 15 December 2003 04:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

la monte young
terry riley - esp rainbows in curved air
a whole load of reich and cage stuff

I tend to go for cyclical and repetitious.
the david grubbs side of the fat cat split is nice too.

simon 803 (simon 803), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hanging Gardens by the necks

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 15 December 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

'ryoanji' john cage might be an ok answer actually (though i only have the 17 min version and not the 60 min one grr!).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Miles Davis, In a Silent Way and Bitches Brew
My fave ambient-ish Eno is Discreet Music, which is always overlooked in favor of the stuff he called ambient, but was actually generally less interesting.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

cut that "actually"--was going for a further point that eluded me

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey Matos -- I was thinking of some recent thread where you said you wanted to detroy all laptop music or something and I was wondering if you liked music that fell outside of pop & jazz. You don't mention it much, so I was curious. I see you like Eno, anyway.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 15 December 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I never found any of Eno's ambient ambient albums interesting, but I would like a copy of Discrete Music.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 15 December 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I second/third/fourth the Eno, especially Thursday Afternoon. It's one hour long composition, so you don't even have to deal with songs changing to distract you. Also, Eno's Apollo, though 12 songs long and slightly energized in parts, is sublime. I bet having that on while you're doing your homework would lead to better grades.
Tele:Funken's Flying Saucer Attack remixes, Distant Station, is worth seeking out, too.
Don't underestimate old standbys like Bach and Beethoven, either.

ottoman, Monday, 15 December 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

reich
music for 18 musicians
electric counterpoint
america before the war
nagoya marimba

conrad
four violins

riley
rainbow in curved air
hall of mirrors at the palace of versailles

young
"Second Dream of the High-Tension Line Stepdown Transformer From the Four Dreams of Chin"

lots of philip glass, pauline oliveros, and others...

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

for nice dense room-filling drones i recommend:
phil niblock
charlemagne palestine
alvin lucier (esp. long thin wire)
pauline oliveros
la monte young
the pop ambient records (and everyone associated with them)

if you can tolerate a bit more noise:
nerve net noise- various amusements
otomo yoshihide- cathode
david tudor
john cale's dream syndicate records

in general, i'd recommend anything on lovely music ltd.

as far as terry riley goes, i'd stick to the cortical foundation records. but then i really detest in c style minimal recods--with which i'd lump john adams and glass.

(but i'm answering the thread title, and not the actual question. which i can't answer because i don't listen to music when i study. brain can't handle that much information.)

Matt B. (Matt B.), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good stuff listed here but do you really want to listen to Tony Conrad (or Lamonte Young, for that matter) while you study?

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

i was thinking more pretty than study soundtrack. i never listened to music while i studied though.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Folke Raabe's Was?? (which Jim O'Rourke reissued)is one of the most pure and beatific pieces of electronic minimalism i've ever come across. the recent re-pressings of Terry Riley's Persian Surgery Dervishes and Charlemagne Palestine's Struumming Music should also be noted, as they are some of the finest in American minimalism.

Beta (abeta), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

actually, you should ignore the middle section of what i posted above. those aren't really pretty or minimal or good studying music.

Matt B. (Matt B.), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

i agree that la monte young and conrad and most glass are complete distractions. execptions -
conrad and faust - outside the dream syndicate : easily the best thing he ever recorded;
glass - music with changing parts : very long, dreamy and soft version of his style.
more the necks - piano, bass, drums.
riley - curved air can be a bit distracting : try ten prophets instead

phil turnbull (philT), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

i love how everyone rips my recs and then recommends stuff that's equally if not more distracting (the faust contributions to OTDS are not very encouraging to studying at all!)

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I want to destroy all the self-congratulatory awe that goes along with liking certain boring half-assed laptop-as-indie dinking-around types of things, yes.

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

"ooh! it's sort of crinkly! it's just like all that crap pitter-pat guitar stuff I listen to only done by laptops! oooh!"

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

(I will stop now before I poison this thread any further)

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think the Conrad/Faust LP might be the best thing he ever did, but it's probably the worst thing Faust did, at least in the 70s.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 15 December 2003 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

It sounds like this sort of thing makes you angry, Matos.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

the lack of sleep isn't helping

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

you should put some eno on!!

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

*ducks*

mark p (Mark P), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

i can't imagine the conrad/ faust thing being good to study too at all! this thread was all wrong from the kick off.

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

it certainly aint pretty!

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

not really minimalism, but great for studying is: Mozart, lots of string quartet music (even like the string quartet renditions of Velvet Underground or pink floyd songs), and indian classical music

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stark but pretty at times.

Supercollider "Supercollider"
Supercollider "Dual"

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

and another favorite of mine is music not in english so the lyrics don't distract me esp. Joao Gilberto et al.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

you should put some eno on!!
-- mark p

hahaha!

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 15 December 2003 21:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Biosphere - Substrata
Paul Schutze- The Surgery of Touch
Steve Roach- Early Man

All of these guys have other records that are also good for zoning out, especially Roach as he has recorded probably 60 albums (some better than others).

I used to listen to Pole for hours when I was doing some real tedious cleaning up of a database working nights a couple of years back. My office was in the server room, so it fit well with all of the hums from the computers.

earlnash, Monday, 15 December 2003 21:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'd forgotten about the 'mozart effect.' whoops.

jess that gas stuff is terrific. thx all, will investigate. tho probably after i'm done with all this shit, heh.

(bitches brew is very unreaderly surely?)

g--ff (gcannon), Monday, 15 December 2003 22:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

the faust parts of OtDS doesn't seem distracting to me at all. but maybe that's cause i know it back to front. conrad by himself is too screechingly off centre (and he's worse when combined with john cale on viola) but the studied slow beats and bass lines of, especially, 'from the side of the machine' are mesmerising. could never see why this is seen as some sort of nadir in faust's career - sure, it's nothing like their own great work but i think it's stood up well over the intervening years. and great, great synth playing all over it.

in a classical stylee - john luther adams awfully titled 'Clouds of Forgetting, Clouds of Unknowing' is also very nice in a minimalist way but not very pretty.

also - harold budd's a good choice including his latest solo piano stuff - very reminiscent of eric satie

phil turnbull (philT), Monday, 15 December 2003 22:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ryoji Ikeda: Op.

Nihilist Pop Star (mjt), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 03:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

"ooh! it's sort of crinkly! it's just like all that crap pitter-pat guitar stuff I listen to only done by laptops! oooh!"

*sobs quietly* ... *sulks off to play crappy pitter-pat on his 'lectric guitar*

Clarke B., Tuesday, 16 December 2003 03:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

You know how there's indie guilt? Is there avant guilt, too? ;-)

Clarke B., Tuesday, 16 December 2003 03:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Isan - Lucky Cat is really good

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 05:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I can read focused when listening to most Durutti/Vini Reilly albums?

cs appleby (cs appleby), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 05:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Plastikman - Consumed not pretty per se
KLF - Chill Out
Cage - 4'33"

Leee Iacocca (Leee), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 06:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

A friend of mine downloaded a few 1971-era Klaus Schulze albums, and says they've kept his mind well cold and tranquil. And there's a little thing called Aphex Twin, Selected Ambient Works Vol. ii.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 07:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

no that's very distracting. as most of the recommendations I've heard here. you really need wallpaper music: is there a recording of satie's 'vexations'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 08:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

As a rule, while studying I used to often listen to not excessively noisey things I didn't really like that much, but that I didn't hate either. And then sometimes I would get to like them, as a side effect.

god, this really rings a bell. sometimes i'd just lazily put on some record i borrowed or which i owned but wasn't terribly fond of, and because i was concentrating on work wouldn't get up to change it out of impatience. and often i'd find myself almost subliminally discovering things about such records that i hadn't noticed before. so that's one argument in favor of "passive" listening.

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Labradford, especially Fixed Context. Ambient/slowcore loveliness.

Stupid (Stupid), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oooh and Panamerican.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 20:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

>is there a recording of satie's 'vexations'.

best recording of 'vexations' is an out-of-print recording by Alan Marks on London records. He plays it for one hour, his pacing is perfect, and the recording is glacial. He includes two minutes of silence at the end of the single-track disc, which frustrates loop play, unfortunately.

There's another pianist who's name I've forgotten and I can't find his recording with google; he does a good 22 minute version, I'll post back with his name from home...

(Jon L), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 21:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

thanks. I really should get a version of this.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 16 December 2003 21:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

robert ashley
"in sara, mencken, christ & beethoven..."

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 07:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Don't forget the Baroque Brain Booster.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 2 January 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

The 22 minute recording of 'Vexations' is by Bojan Gorisek, on his 'Erik Satie - Complete Piano Works Vol 2', the label is Audiophile Classics. He does 'Vexations' perfectly, but I find his take on some of the other pieces a little too showy.

While googling I also finally found 3 disc set of Satie piano works by France Clidat; the only one I've heard that ranks with the Ciccolini (I still haven't heard the Pascal Rogé). Found this nice overview of Satie recordings with one of the weirdest popup ads ever.

(Jon L), Friday, 2 January 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

no pop ups for me unfortunately.

jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 2 January 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

The gif on that is going to prove SO damn useful.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Friday, 2 January 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

lacks something without the accompanying link to the picture of Per Gessle though.

(Jon L), Friday, 2 January 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

eighteen years pass...

After decades of voracious and eclectic music-seeking, I find as I get older I'm often most drawn to "less is more" music, fewer sounds eith greater impact.

Did this mix of some of my favorite super-minimalist song-form music, and it constantly calls me back:

https://musicophilia.wordpress.com/2020/02/23/pith-and-echo/


Various – ‘Pith & Echo’
1968-2019
Part I

01 [00:00] Mark Hollis – “Westward Bound” (‘Mark Hollis’ 1998)
02 [04:10] Low – “It’s All Been Done” (‘Double Negative’ 2018)
03 [07:40] David Sylvian – “The Only Daughter” (‘Blemish’ 2003)
04 [12:55] The Knife – “Still LIght” (‘SIlent Shout’ 2006)
05 [16:00] Areski – “Liberte” (‘Un Beau Matin’ 1971)
06 [17:55] Melanie De Biasio – “Brother” (‘Lilies’ 2017)
07 [21:00] Brian Eno – “By This River” (‘Before And After Science’ 1977)
08 [24:00] Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark – “Sealand” (‘Architecture & Morality’ 1981)
09 [31:40] Yves Jarvis – “To Say That Is Easy” (‘The Same But By Different Means’ 2019)
10 [35:50] Jansen / Barbieri – “The Insomniac’s Bed” (‘Stories Across Borders’ 1991)
11 [39:40] Tor Lundvall – “Falling Trees” (‘Sleeping And Hiding’ 2005)
12 [42:45] Anja Garbarek – “It Seems We Talk” (‘Smiling & Waving’ 2001)
13 [47:20] Grouper – “Blouse” (‘Grid of Points’ 2018)

Part II

14 [49:40] John Martyn – “Small Hours” (‘One World’ 1977)
15 [58:35] Nico – “Frozen Warnings (Alternate)” (‘The Marble Index’ 1968)
16 [62:55] Arthur Russell – “All-Boy All-Girl” (‘World of Echo’ 1986)
17 [66:35] Richard Skelton – “Votive” (‘Border Ballads’ 2019)
18 [69:05] Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man – “Show” (‘Out of Season’ 2002)
19 [73:25] Bonnie Prince Billy – “Banks of Red Roses” (‘When We Are Inhuman’ 2019)
20 [79:05] Bjork – “All Is Full of Love” (‘Homogenic’ 1997)
21 [83:20] Colin Self – “Once More” (‘Orphans’ EP 2019)
22 [90:05] Yosuke Tokunaga – “Table” (‘8 Furnitures’ 2019)
23 [93:50] Duendita – “Bury Me” (‘direct line to My Creator’ 2018)
24 [98:25] Moses Sumney – “Doomed” (‘Aromanticism’ 2017)

[Total Time: 1:42:50]

Soundslike, Saturday, 22 January 2022 08:42 (three years ago) link

So often I want to hear music that is very simple and almost still, without any embellishment, that I even tried making some myself:

https://ianmanire.bandcamp.com/album/sketches

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1001152445_16.jpg

Soundslike, Saturday, 22 January 2022 10:22 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

New Park Jiha - All Living Things, out 14/02/2025.

From Bandcamp: "Park Jiha, the acclaimed Korean composer/multi-instrumentalist, makes patient, immersive music; music that illuminates the essence and texture of the natural, living world."

I would rather post this in a post-minimalism thread if we had one, but it is certainly pretty. Delicate, meditative, comforting, but still retaining the dynamics of something like a dance, and the aforementioned natural textures. Sonically, the Korean instruments are at the forefront (her signature reed mouth organ, hammered dulcimer, flute, glockenspiel) over discrete layers of electronics. The mouth organ (piri/saenghwang) has a relatively thick and deep, fascinating sound.

In her own words, speaking of her formative period and creative process :
https://www.15questions.net/interview/fifteen-questions-interview-park-jiha/page-1/

Naledi, Wednesday, 19 February 2025 09:43 (two days ago) link

prati motherfucking bagnati ...

https://open.spotify.com/album/61B1GQvwCDsQMEP6yaySOB?si=SYxLQF9dTPKdScwX2Px8TQ

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Wednesday, 19 February 2025 14:37 (two days ago) link

damn this is amazing

corrs unplugged, Thursday, 20 February 2025 12:33 (yesterday) link

love the park jiha record - beautiful

nxd, Thursday, 20 February 2025 13:44 (yesterday) link

prati bagnati del monte analogo

omfg this is killer

Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Friday, 21 February 2025 09:20 (nine hours ago) link

All about the title track but yes

Naledi, Friday, 21 February 2025 11:46 (six hours ago) link

yeah it's true, the last two tracks i treat as the comedown from the first, still lovely.

messina's "reflex" is nice, not as utterly magical as pbdma but fits the thread well, sort of a glass/budd hybrid

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Friday, 21 February 2025 16:26 (one hour ago) link

heh, the third track 'Amon ra' is by far my favorite on that lp

Deflatormouse, Friday, 21 February 2025 16:56 (one hour ago) link

I haven't heard this in years. It’s def a triptych of textures but the second track is the only one that doesn’t stand alone imo.

tt is Laraaji in furs, the thing I really like about it is the vintage Vogue mag opulence. Movement is relaxed to the point of near paralysis, as if on quaaludes. You could cut the atmosphere with a knife, and it’s as scenic as the album cover. But it’s also painful, because the splendor is lost and remote and irretrievable. It has the feeling of a perfect moment corrupted by the sense that it’s all slipping through your fingers.

The third one is a handmade oregami sailboat held suspended on a string to the tt’s luxury yacht. It moves like the little kinetic sculpture spinning in your hand, or sunlight flickering through a window, refracted off the water in your glass. You would swear you’re hearing violins too, but it’s just the water glasses. This is blissful. The sadness of the tt is healed and banished.

Deflatormouse, Friday, 21 February 2025 18:10 (fourteen minutes ago) link


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