video killed the radio star is from 1979

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is the fact that i think this is a revolutionary and incredibly important single a reflection of how little i know about music history? what foreshadowed this sound, besides kraftwerk/devo-style synthrock (which hadn't yet made a commercial impact, i'm pretty sure). i realize there's not much structurally groundbreaking about it, but how did it sound to people of the time? can anyone who lived through this tell me?

ethan, Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

it's the 'good vibrations' of the seventies, right down to the perfect verses/not-as- perfect-but-still-really-perfect chorus form.

ethan, Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I was 8 years old when this record came out, and it made a big impression on me. It seemed very futuristic to me at the time, partly because of the use of the word "video". In the U.S.A. video has always been just another word for television, but in the U.K. the term was just beginning to gain currency. Video recorders were just starting to become popular, and pop videos were beginning to make an impact on television. I'm sure the video for this song (which showed members of Buggles playing those unfamiliar-looking items known as synthesisers) contributed to the success of the record.

I was intrigued by the subject matter of the song too. The narrative was all about television becoming more popular than radio in the Fifties. Of course, a few years after the song's release M.T.V. challenged the popularity of music radio.

The record seemed very modern-sounding at the time (although when I was 8 I didn't have much to compare it to). I rarely listen to it now. The song sounds like a novelty hit. However, I suppose it was groundbreaking. It contains many of the techniques that Trevor Horn used on records by artists such as A.B.C.

Mark Dixon, Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Was 9 when it came out. Was kinda different than other songs on the radio ('79 was the butt-end of disco), but not radically so (i.e., wasn't as if "Metal Machine Music" had hit the charts). My older sister liked it a lot, which figured 'cause at that time she liked the Police, the Cars, and the Knack, and kinda lumped into the generic "New Wave" stuff. And it was a misheard-lyric song -- I orginally thought it was "Vinnie, Don't Kill the Radio Star."

Long way of saying that I was too young to have paid it that much mind -- was more interested in baseball and Pong at that age.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I was 12 when it came out, heard it on the radio in the sweetshop, it sounded exciting, yet sad, futuristic yet mournful. I loved the 'awa awa' backing vocals. It became only the third single I ever bought.

stevo, Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I loved it. "Living In The Plastic Age" was pretty good as well.

It was 70s studio pop in the tradition of all sorts of Bubblegum (and also stuff like 10cc) - but taken to a higher, more technically processed level. And, as Mark said, it foreshadowed Horn's production style of the 80s with ABC, Dollar etc.

David Inglesfield, Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

what foreshadowed this sound, besides kraftwerk/devo-style synthrock (which hadn't yet made a commercial impact, i'm pretty sure).

Kraftwerk had a Top 40 hit single in the US (#25) and the UK (#11) five years prior to "Videos" release. Perhaps it was old hat to the people of the time (I dunno, I was 3 in 1979).

Vic Funk, Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

When I hear this I always think of M's "Pop Muzik", another meta classic from the early synthpop era that we all know and love. I wonder which one came first? I'm also reminded of the Flying Lizards. But as for precursors, maybe some of Giorgio Moroder's poppier stuff? The Son of My Father album, maybe? And yes, Devo, definitely. And the early Human League.

It sounded sweet and clever and fun at the time. A bit too kitsch for my tastes back then, though, and nowhere near as great as Spark's No. 1 in Heaven. Definitely didn't sound revolutionary at that point, sorry. Just kind of a cute little commentary on the future of pop.

I was 17 and 18 in 1979.

Arthur, Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

"When I hear this I always think of M's "Pop Muzik", another meta classic from the early synthpop era that we all know and love. I wonder which one came first? I'm also reminded of the Flying Lizards. But as for precursors, maybe some of Giorgio Moroder's poppier stuff? The Son of My Father album, maybe? And yes, Devo, definitely. And the early Human League."

I was about to say the same thing. But I think what it really boiled to was Trevor Horn taking the whole 70's e-prog stuff, and jamming it into the format of a pop song. The most obvious precursor to me would be Brian Eno/Bowie/Roxy Music axis.

I really cannot say if there is an obvious precursor. It just seems that trevor horn took the ideas that were floating around in the 70's and cashed in on them. This is not really a revolutionary single by any standard, it is a pop song dressed in the studio gloss of eary polyphonic synths. It is a good tune, but it is still a tune that was dressed in the engineering fashion of its time.

I would say that the really important English music of this time was the early Industrial/New Musick scene. Early Throbbing Gristle, The Normal, Thomas Leer, Cabaret Voltaire were all much more important. The reason being is that they were doing this music in primitive home studios and on their own labels. These guys had more bearing on the 1990's than The Buggles ever did.

Trevor Horn was using pro-studios and going through a major. He wrote a good pop single, and had some nice polymoog action on it. There were much more extreme and non-commerical uses of synths in the 70's. Look into Krautrock, Tangerine Dream, Cluster, Neu, and Can all were using electronics in a way that was much more interesting.

"It sounded sweet and clever and fun at the time. A bit too kitsch for my tastes back then, though, and nowhere near as great as Spark's No. 1 in Heaven. Definitely didn't sound revolutionary at that point, sorry. Just kind of a cute little commentary on the future of pop."

I remember when they would play this on mtv when I was about 4 or so, I always quite liked it. It has become less interesting to me as time has passed. I agree with the sentement above, it is what it is, an entertaining pop song. It was not ground breaking or innovative, just well written and produced.

mike taylor, Sunday, 6 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

At the time, aged 19, I was probably still more purely ideological than perverse: the song's deliberate Novelty silliness (treated cartoon voice) probably did more to label it for me than anything else. Fundamentally I was pro-chart/anti-rock, but to little punXoRs like me then, *banks* of shiny keybs were TOTALLY the Prog Enemy (moogs esp., tho i don't imagine i knew the buggles were using moogs): the context — anti- serious chartpop — didn't then rescue it (where being a bedroom operation from sheffield usually did; and being german certainly did). Actually I think I judged as much on how Geoff Downes dressed and wore his hair (also how the girl in the vid looked). Sparks (much more obviously discoid I guess) were acceptable.

As a step towards the integrated digital studio as mono-instrument, Buggles were more a flash on the future than they seemed at the time: yes yes this technical set-up was hardly news off-mainstream, but half the horrible point point of the quasi-prog avant-garde (as i then saw it) was that it swanked itself up as intrinsically untouched by the Man and/or Crappy Commerce, by virtue of its superior musicianship as manifested in banks of keybs. When they joined Yes a year or two later I was delighted, and IMMEDIATELY regarded Yes as totally rehabilitated, punk-wise: the tec was no longer the enemy, just a tool. I guess I had already sifted to liking Buggles as an idea, a lever (so unconsciously accepted them as more breakthrough than I did aurally, if you like). I never liked the song much, and still don't, really.

mark s, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Louise's "2 Faced", a pop single from 2000 which I really loved, is one of the only other tracks I know of to go "Oh" in that "Ow-uh" way the Buggles' backing vox do.

Tom, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

also emotional content-wise buggles were weak, for me. the KW/Numan line — Numan is formally probably more radical than almost anyone so far mentioned, and is as usual overlooked by all — was thus: "Oh you foolish humans with yr reactionary so-called 'feelings'/androidism is where it's at" Video is all, "Oh I loved her I feel sorry for her now she's gone" pah to such unpunk mishpish (yes I know she's just a technological ghost = more android than android, but i only realised that JUST NOW)

no.one song in heaven = apr 79
are 'friends' electric? = may 79
video killed = sept 79

(sparks of course first surfaced on the neo- glam wave of 74-75)

mark s, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I turned 14 that year, and had got my own personal radio for the first time Xmas '78. As a result, 1979 was first year I really immersed myself in pop. That Buggles record is just one of many that makes the year seem to me to be (looking back) the greatest ever. Overall, I don't recall the music of "Video Killed..." sounding that revolutionary - the vocals, lyrics and (irony!) the video certainly were, however. Many dismissed it as a novelty record, of course. Fools!

Best Buggles record: "Into The Lens" by Yes. Best 1979 record: "Digital Love" by Daft Punk.

Jeff W, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

pop muzik = apr 97 also

stupid: i hadn't twigged buggles >> daft punk

mark s, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

97 = 79

mark s, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

How interesting it would be if Mark meant that last comment the way it looks in isolation.

Tim, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

The skewed sense of time is what makes "Video killed..." so special. The studio technology is up-to-the-minute for ‘79, but the lead vocal is pinched (all midrange) in a way that we associate with primitive radio technology. And then the lyrical references range back and forth thru time, lurching from "the wireless back in '52" to "put the blame on VTR" (that's "Video Tape Recorder,” an abbreviation in use before the VCR acronym had become standard – some hear it as “VCR” but I think the former is correct, anyone with an official lyric sheet care to confirm?) and symphonies rewritten by machine. It's timeless in every sense of that word.

As to how it sounded in 1979 – I was ten and it sounded great. I imagine the real message was yet to crystallize, MTV being a couple of years away (“video” was a term in little use where I was living) but it did seem “futuristic” in a cool way (though not as much as “The Robots”), and the gimmicky “whoo-ah-whoo” chorus could have been designed to appeal to kids (it sounded like kids were singing it.) It was just a very catchy, fun song.

I posted this somewhere else on ILM, but I listened to radio through the 70s, and I never remember hearing “Autobahn”, not once. I know it was something of a hit in the U.S., but it was never played much. Then again, songs that hit #25 sometimes fade rather quickly. There’s probably a #25 hit from 1995 that I’ve never heard, either.

Mark, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I was 13 and thought it was catchy but cheesy. Sounded like disco- rock to me. Still does. As a 13 year old, I was more into Neil Young & Traffic reruns - never picked up on the "genious" behind some of pop's cheesier moments. (I can appreciate them more now - but at 13, I was more interested in rockin' out...)

Dave225, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Kinda fun, but not particularly revolutionary when I heard it...I remember hearing Kraftwerk's The Man Machine blasting out of the 8- track deck of a guy who live down the back lane from me back in '78, and THAT was revolutionary to me--I ran right out and picked up the 8-track of the Kraftwerk album Exceller-8, which nailed me right to the floor. I think I heard Gary Numan and Devo before Buggles, too, so the impact when I finally heard "Video..." was that much less. I can imagine, though, how important it would have seemed to those hearing it on the radio (iiiiiiiiironyyyyyyy) for the first time when top 40 radio played nothing else of the sort...especially in small towns, such as the one I grew up in. That back-alley encounter with Kraftwerk was exceptionally rare, I'd imagine.

Sean Carruthers, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Its certainly not revolutionary in that it didn't sound new when it arrived.

I was 18 in 1979 but wasn't exactly a punk purist - I regarded it as just another quirky new wave tinged pop record, not a particularly original one and certainly way behind the innovators.

It wasn't the best quirky new wave pop song of the era, Flying Lizards, New Musik, were all Cowboys International were all close contemporaries (and all studio based bands mainly created by a producer)..(Aside, what was the bloke in New Musik who did living by numbers and later produced A Ha? Is he still around?)

I would guess the Buggles tune owes its longevity to the subject matter synching with the change in media -the Sunset Boulavard theme... NTNON's "Nice Video shame about the song" was probably more accurate though...

It didn't really influence much either, unlike the later Horn stuff - Possibly stuff like Landscape or Thomas Dolby (though both of them had been floating about for a while too I think).

Alexander Blair, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

actually i know one of the guys who was in landscape; maybe i shd ask him about "influence" (not that i believe in it)

why WAS it buggles (of all ppl) that got asked to join and revivify Yes, as a matter of interest? i fell like there's some aspect of all this nagging in the back of my mind which explains everything...

mark s, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one of the only other tracks I know of to go "Oh" in that "Ow-uh" way

What can you possibly mean, Tom? I thought the snotty / stuttery / hiccoughing "ow-wuh-oh" was a rockabilly => punk => new wave mainstay, along with its countless variants ("oh-wuh-uh-oh," "oh-woah- woah," "wuh-uh-oh-whoah," &c.) -- fer God's sake, Ric Ocasek, at the very least.

Nitsuh, Monday, 7 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

why WAS it buggles (of all ppl) that got asked to join and revivify Yes, as a matter of interest?

The answer may not be as interesting as you hope. Horn and Downes were big Yes fans and approached the band c. end '79 with a couple of songs they'd written for their idols. This coincided with Anderson and Wakeman's latest stomping off in a huff, and with a pre-arranged US tour looming, 2+2 (or rather 3+2) was duly put together.

Jeff W, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

but half the horrible point point of the quasi-prog avant-garde (as i then saw it) was that it swanked itself up as intrinsically untouched by the Man and/or Crappy Commerce, by virtue of its superior musicianship as manifested in banks of keybs. When they joined Yes a year or two later I was delighted, and IMMEDIATELY regarded Yes as totally rehabilitated, punk-wise: the tec was no longer the enemy, just a tool

Which of course was why Horn was so delighted to stick some cod-Yes into the climax of Dollar's "Give Me Back My Heart." He said to Morley at the time, "I just loved the idea of pissing people off by doing a total Yes rip-off at the end of a Dollar record."

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i just had a horrible epiphany marcello:

i imagine it pisses someone off = i like it
and that's ALL!!

mark s, Tuesday, 8 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Not that it's important, but how did I get through that last post without typing "Buddy Holly?"

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 9 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

In around 1983 I found an unspooled C90 in the gutter (near St Joseph's RC Church in Seacombe - for the benefit of the one person who enjoys such details) - took it home and discovered it was Adventures In Modern Recording (or, at least, the opening track appeared to be called that: "We're not playing/we're just having..."). I thought it sounded fantastic. Now I realise that it was Buggles all along. This record only seems to be available in Japan.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 9 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

nine months pass...
Listening to it again it's brilliance is in the bass, the lightness and dare I say it, it's funkiness lifts the rest of the song. Compare and contrast with Pres of USA demolition of it.

Quite why it hasn't been sampled is a mystery as it's on a par with the Chic productions, at their peak in '79 too. Which no doubt Horn must have been listening to.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:19 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've heard that it was the first song ever played on MTV.

toraneko (toraneko), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:08 (twenty-two years ago) link

one of the first things they played, yes.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:14 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
This is one of the best songs ever.

Dan I., Thursday, 12 December 2002 07:47 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ah, this thread was the trapdoor through which I fell into ILM about 6 months ago, having Googled something which linked me to mike taylor's post above......which is so OTM it makes me want to know where he is these days. Likewise Alexander Blair's post.
I've tried several times to respond to this thread, but find it very difficult - it's almost painful to deal with the mixture of memories/feelings that get stirred up - I think because it taps right in to a time when it felt like music was everything to me, and was therefore capable of becoming infuriating when it seemed on the way to being fucked up. (And because, after 25 years of never meeting anyone new who liked certain music the way I did, at the time I did, you get to feel a bit obsessive/possessive, no matter how unjustified that might be.)

I was 18/19 when this single was a hit: to me it just seemed like an irritating novelty song, a nursery-rhyme done by a couple of johnny-come-lately synthetic-cash-in merchants - my then-puritanical reaction was: how dare they be popularising/humanising/infantilising technology in music, the bastards are going to spoil MY SPECIAL MISERABLE FUN (which, by 2 years later, I felt had finally happened with the whole momus-coined 'synth-pierrot' thing - again, at the time, something I was puritan enough to think was a nail of ponce-ification in the coffin of Post-Punk.
(And mark s I still can't read your 1st post on this thread without grinding of teeth and gnashing of gums.....)

It's been ages since I heard VKTRS, but I can't recall finding anything exciting at the time about how it sounded, either - no sequencing, no synthetic drums, no filter sweeps/blips or odd modulations or dissonances - just a horrible Abba-esque rinkydink piano sound and some transistor-radio phasing on a hollywooden chorus.
Seemed to me that if you had already tuned in to tech-music over the previous years, that record would just sound like cheesy pish.

But, as with Dr C's thread about 'Dreaming of Me', maybe if I heard it again I'd like it more now - what with being a more burnt-out, detached, compromised and confused music-liker rather than an aesthetically puritanical intensely focussed music-lover.

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Thursday, 12 December 2002 18:33 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've heard that it was the first song ever played on MTV.

It was indeed; August 1, 1980 (the second video, incidentally, was Pat Benatar's "You Better Run").

I was eight back then. It's always been/is just a fun little song to me, nostalgia-inducing. Back then, the sound wasn't particularly novel to me (having seen Gary Numan videos previously), but very catchy. I liked the video with the Space Invaders better (I think "Living in the Plastic Age"?). I think its relevance has stemmed mostly from the lyrics, in postmortems on MTV. I've always found the backup vox rather irritating, actually.

Joe (Joe), Friday, 13 December 2002 04:18 (twenty-two years ago) link

p.s. Growing up, I always thought it was "put the blame on meteors!" which I like a lot more than the actual line.

Joe (Joe), Friday, 13 December 2002 04:19 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can we lump in "Funkytown" by Lipps, Inc.? Robotic processed vocals, basic-sounding synth riff, overall novelty sound... it's a little more disco-y, but not that much (in my memory anyway).

Sean (Sean), Friday, 13 December 2002 04:55 (twenty-two years ago) link

eight years pass...

Unimpeachable.

john. a resident of chicago., Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Fantastic. I once won all the Singstar points on this by affecting that pinched-nose voice: "I-heard-yewon-thwarless-bakinfif-teetyooo".

Why'd You Wanna Tweet Me So Bad? (dog latin), Thursday, 25 August 2011 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link

There are at least five 1979 hits that were basically predating (even "inventing", sort of) the sound of the 80s:
Tubeway Army: Are "Friends" Electric
Gary Numan: Cars
Roxy Music: Dance Away
M: Pop Muzik

But even more so, there's "Video Killed The Radio Star".

Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 25 August 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

This song still gives me a special feeling. That retro-future vibe still rings clear for me. Plus, as stated, it's a fantastic pop song.

I am loathe to outright agree with Geir but his comments are correct. And all those tunes are still great as well.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I guess Japan too though. The "Quiet Life" album was basically when they found their trademark 80s style. And before that there was the often overlooked "Life In Tokyo" single as well.

Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 25 August 2011 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

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