2008 GRAMMY NOMINATIONS - THE ILX POLL - RECORD OF THE YEAR

who the fuck is adele???

Isn't "Paper Planes" a single?

yes

they are all singles

cue plethora of awful 'Britain conquers America' type articles

leona!!

(don't want to vote for MIA - think i prefer 'bleeding love' anyway)

(adele is incredibly boring ersatz soul)

(best grammy nom = JAZMINE SULLIVAN in best newcomer)

So the "record of the year" price goes to a single, not an album?

Coldplay have won seven nominations for 2009's Grammy awards, leading a strong British showing at US music's most prestigious awards ceremony.

This is weird... The Grammys also have a "song of the year" category, which also has "Viva la Vida" and "Chasing Pavement" as nominees. What's the point of having two categories like that?

what's the point of the Grammys?

song is for the song--awarded to the songwriter
record is for the record--awarded to the artist

A song is something that's written; a record is something that's recorded and released

Although I guess even an unreleased recording is still a record

forgot they gave ROTY to U2 in 01 and 02 for two singles from the same album. so stupid.

the grammys are super cutting edge

B-b-b-but Elbow? Do these people not PAY ATTENTION?

since I lack the RS subscrip, not sure I've heard any of these in my locked room

i'm an "active music listener" and i've only heard two of them (MIA and coldplay, and the latter was just from their SNL performance)

i don't know what "active music listener" means

having scrolled through the entire nominations list, this all has to be some kind of sick joke, right

So the "record of the year" price goes to a single, not an album?

there is also an Album of the Year award

can't wait.

haha i hav no idea who adele or leona lewis are ive prob heard but blocked out the coldplay song not heard the robert plant shit but i do like paper planes - voted paper planes!

i heard this adele song on snl. it wasn't very good.

the lyrics confused me almost as much as when i heard that killers song on snl.

"should i give up or should i just keep chasing pavements?"
er, not sure, you're on your own for this one, adele.

i've heard only one (maybe two) of these songs, and don't think hearing the others is a requisite for voting here

Best Rap/Sung Collaboration
(For a Rap/Sung collaborative performance by artists who do not normally perform together. Singles or Tracks only.)

# Got Money
Lil Wayne Featuring T-Pain
Track from: Tha Carter III
[Cash Money/Universal Motown]

^^^^^lol

anyway,

record of the year award: producers award
song of the year: songwriters award
_____ vocal performance: singers award

Three of these are fantastic, one is good, one is meh. THE BRITISH ARE COMING.

on a trivia note, i'm guessing this is the first time a song and a song that samples it have both been nominated for grammys the same year ("paper planes"/"swagger like us"). if only they could have found a way to nominate "straight to hell" for something.

how the hell can people seriously have not heard that wholly inescapable Leona Lewis song that basically was played nonstop everywhere from approx. February thru September?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Love

also the Coldplay song was inescapable due to it being used for an iPod commercial right when the album came out

uh because half of ILM has internet music tunnel vision?

"half"

two days ago i was the magazine that i write for @ my school was having a meeting to decide top 10 albums/songs of the year - and after we got the rankings done it came out that two ppl (indie types - one's fav album was mgmt and the other's was okkervil river) hadn't heard A MILLI. like... what planet do you live on? same applies for bleeding love and viva la vida

There's a lot of people who really don't bother with mainstream stuff at all. I only know those songs because I deliberately try to "keep up" -- but if I didn't watch TV or listen to commercial radio (which basically describes my early 20s) or periodically check out chart hits on iTunes/YouTube, there's a lot of pop music I would never have heard.

The point being made here is that not bothering with mainstream stuff is not the same thing as actively avoiding mainstream stuff, which is what you would have to do to have absolutely no idea what "Bleeding Love" is:

In the United States, the single's digital release on 18 December 2007, led to nearly 6,000 legal downloads of the song.[35] As the song was added to song rotations throughout the U.S., increased digital sales of the single led to the song's debut on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart at number 11 on the charting week of 16 February 2008.[36] The subsequent two weeks pushed the song up the charts, officially debuting on the Billboard Hot 100 on the charting week of 1 March 2008 at number 85.[30] The song has become Lewis' first U.S. top ten hit, reaching #1 on the Billboard Hot 100,[30] and has also peaked at #1 on the Billboard Pop 100, holding the position for twelve weeks, tying the record held by Flo Rida with "Low".[37] Also, it reached #1 on the Hot Digital Songs[38][39] This makes Lewis only the third female artist from the UK to ever have a number one hit on the Hot 100 with her first single, following Petula Clark with "Downtown" in 1965 and Sheena Easton with "Morning Train (Nine to Five)" in 1981.[40] In addition it is also the first U.S. number one song (debut or not) by a solo British female since Kim Wilde's "You Keep Me Hanging On" more than 20 years prior.[41] It also jumped to number one in Canada in the same week. The song has sold over 3 million in U.S. digital downloads makes Leona the first female artist to have this record.[42]

In the U.S., "Bleeding Love" reached number one for a week, before slipping to number four, rising to number two the next week, and then returning to the number-one position on the Billboard Hot 100, before being succeeded by Lil Wayne's "Lollipop." Its return to number one on the Hot 100 coincided with the parent album Spirit debuting at number one on the Billboard 200, making Lewis the first solo British artist in 18 years to top the Billboard albums and singles simultaneously. The song yet again returned to number one for the third time on the Hot 100 on the charts dated 10 May 2008. The song's return to the top of the Hot 100 for a third time made it the first song to have three separate turns at number one on the Hot 100 since Chic's "Le Freak" in January 1979, and only one of three songs to ever do so, the third being T.I.'s "Whatever You Like".[43] This time, the song stayed at the top spot for a second consecutive week, bringing its total to four non-consecutive weeks at #1 on the Hot 100. The song spent twenty consecutive weeks in the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100 and ten weeks in the Top Two.]

fwiw I listen to the radio and read mainstream music news all day every day, but because I listen to urban and rock stations that don't play Leona Lewis, I probably wouldn't be able to hum "Bleeding Love" or I.D. before she sings the title if not for the fact that I sometimes watch the VH1 countdown.

please, read the letter

i try to think of "bleeding love", all i get is soft cell

okay i hadn't really heard these songs (maybe leona and coldplay like once or twice), so just looked them up on youtube:

coldplay - pretty boring cod u2 even for them, i liked the other single (the stompy piano one that was the first single i think) WAY better, i think i already forgot the chorus

adele - verses are really boring and bad, but i like all the syrupy strings and the sorta epic-ish chorus. could have really used a decent bridge section or something...

MIA - haha i guess it shows how internet tunnel vision i am that i think of this as "hood politics" by crooked i and/or "swagga like us"....anyway i like the beat a lot. good song...but it just makes me wanna heard crooked i or termanology now cuz that's how i know the song....her vox are pretty meh to me overall. she kinda reminds me of musical youth or something, pass the dutchie...but obvious this track is GREAT musicwise.

Leona - for about 2 seconds I thought this was gonna use a "Let's Go Crazy" sample or something...good solid mainstream R&B song but she seems kinda uninteresting compared to ppl like rhianna or beyonce...but good tune overall.

plant/krauss - WOW what a nice song. i sort of avoided this cuz frankly i don't really trust plant at all anymore, but i like how he toned down his style to fit in with kraus...great arrangement and band on it too...was this song written by Richard Thompson maybe? reminds me of something he would have written.

My Grammy Winner:

haha I'm old...but Please Read the Letter slightly over MIA. just seems like a better overall song...though the track on MIA is great.

Please Read the Letter>Paper Planes>Bleeding Love>Chasing Pavements>Viva La Vida

The Plant-Krauss album is quite good but quite easy to overrate.

(the sort of record Grammy loves, in other words)

coldplay is so milquetoast

does anyone out there think that Please Read the Letter is almost as good as something like Going to California?

ah hell now I have no idea what I'm going to vote for...m.i.a. had just edged out leona, but that plant/krauss song is rly pretty good...obv if you're dealing with the grammies, you're usually going to be wrist deep in some horrid shit...what's shocking is how good over half of these nominations are.

but Coldplay...let me tell ya, to these ears, 'viva la vida' has convincingly usurped 'speed of sound' as coldplay's entry into the 'worst-song-of-the-decade' sweepstakes.

oh nevermind xpost

Coldplay - has a decent hook, but argh, messianic bullshit overload - I just want to punch the guy
Adele - the song has grown on me. "chasing pavements" = you know, keep on keepin' on. not bad.
MIA - great song, even if it came out eons ago.

the rest - haven't heard

I think "Vida La Vida" pisses me off so much because I see several different ways in which it could have been a massive, triumphant song that could have potentially redeemed Coldplay for me, but instead they let their innate Coldplay-ness turn it into a leaden pile of shit.

so i guess i'm totally alone in thinking that Viva La Vida (the song and the album) are pretty great at least by Coldplay standards?

No Taylor Swift "Love Story", no credibility.

fixed.

yeah but admit it: Taylor Swift is about as pretty as pretty gets.

from the taylor swift thread

i just watched her performance of "love story" on the country awards or whatever. homegirl is a ten, but damn that song is Horrible.

― k3vin k., Friday, November 28, 2008 4:14 PM (6 days ago)

see k3vin knows what I'm talking about...

i mean...isn't the point of the grammys that their picks are LOLWTF, i mean go look back through the years, it's like this bizarro version of music history

funny max is complaining about the grammys, sting has won like 16 or something. gabriel has won a few too

well yeah...the ppl in charge of the Grammies are like at the top of the music industry pyramid--they're the ppl that all the crap industry execs and suit&ties who greenlight all the worst albums ever aspire to be...the grammies are the pinnacle of shit music culture...

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Hey there "velko" please identify where I complain about the Grammys which I so clearly love

I saw Adele in concert on a friend's advice. She wasn't bad, is certainly a talented singer, but, putting aside my innate dislike of her style of music, is she even really the best example of it? At least with Norah Jones I felt like it was an excellent example of a music style I don't like.

I find Matt's M.I.A./Musical Youth association quite otm! Will now vote for Paper Planes, not for that reason.

(ie not *exclusively* for that reason)

maybe you didn't really complain ; )

when you said "who is on the nominated committee for this shit?" i thought you were being disdainful, but clearly you just want to know so you can buy them a beer, it's cool, bro.

Yeah broski were all cool here

Taylor Swift has a ratface

whoa

so like if Splinter was standing face to face with her, he would think he was looking into a mirror? Is that what you are saying, hmmmm?

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Taylor-Swift-b08.jpg
http://www.derok.net/derok/images/classics/tmnt%20splinter%202.jpg

ws one of these can u guess

that's an adorable tattoo on taylor's left foot there.

i think she has a rodenty face, but not a rat. more chipmunky.

http://www.lakeshoreimages.com/images9/chipmunk4.jpg
kind of want!

http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Chipmunk.jpg

sorry guys don't shoot the messenger:

http://www.usmagazine.com/files/swift-jonas-b_2.jpg
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/specials/grammy08/arrivals/taylor_swift.jpg
http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/news/080630/taylor_swift.jpg

^^^ definite ratface goin on

i'd let her rat my face IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

give your face a necrotic bite

haven't heard the plant/krauss, but Leona>VlV>MIA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Adele

"Chasing Pavements" (Adele) - I have heard this - I think from ILM. - eh.
"Viva La Vida" (Coldplay) - Ricky Martin joke
"Bleeding Love" (Leona Lewis) - Who? 76 Million views on youtube. What?
"Paper Planes" (M.I.A.) - Hey this is alright.
"Please Read The Letter" (Robert Plant & Alison Krauss) - I know these two. Listening to the song on youtube.... hmm.. Wait, I'd heard this album was good...?

btw plant/krauss is v v pretty and the album is a nice road trip background kinda thing but voted paper planes how am i not gonna rep

"Chasing Pavements" (Adele) - beautiful, epic song. happy for adele, her album is spotty but this is a wonderful song (as is "hometown glory" and "right as rain").. pleasantly surprised by the grammy love. This has my vote.
"Viva La Vida" (Coldplay) - LOVE THIS SONG... best coldplay single since "trouble" or "clocks" IMO. Wouldn't mind if it won.
"Bleeding Love" (Leona Lewis) - Nice song, overplayed but it's still good. I'm kind of shocked that Leona didn't get a BNA nom (Jazmine Sullivan should win easily now.. YAY!!)
"Paper Planes" (M.I.A.) - obviously a great song....
"Please Read The Letter" (Robert Plant & Alison Krauss) - ??? this will probably win because the Grammys suck.

This year's Grammy nominees are really, really good. Jazmine Sullivan 5 noms!! I am surprised that Erykah Badu got snubbed tho....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Wizard_troll_doll-low_res.jpg

is that directed at me or...

A crotchety critic weighs in:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/05/DD7V14I5ID.DTL

Today's pop stars are manufactured by management firms in sleek offices with million-dollar budgets, staffs of legal counsel, publicists, stylists, marketing consultants - Pussycat Dolls anyone? Their records have been ProTooled into submission, every wrinkle smoothed out, every squeak, belch, intake of air digitally manipulated into a perfect, lifeless aural confection.

:-/

The cultural freight that once loaded pop music's wagons has evaporated. The world no longer hangs on the next album by Dylan, Springsteen, Arcade Fire or anyone. The record business will be healthy again when it makes a record everybody wants to buy. Nobody makes records anymore simply because they like the music and, truth be told, many people in the industry don't like the music they are making. They go home and listen to old Van Morrison records like everyone else.

O.O

thank you mr. joel selvin for telling me what i already knew like four fucking years ago

no, the world was still hanging on the next album by the Arcade Fire back then

omfg

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With the new U2 release stalled until next year and Bruce Springsteen waiting in the wings with a new album in January - the pre-release previews have not been terrifically exciting - there are no big statements from leading figures.

Do you also stand in defiant opposition to the Victrola, which in its hollow re-creation surely rends the emotion from the singers voice?

I mean, that article is pretty ridiculous, right?

Also, what does this douche have against Lil Wayne? >:(

plz everyone knows that hip-hop, teenpop, country, metal, punk, etc is rubbish. only rock music is good.

there are really only two good kinds of music. american rock music, and britpop rock music.

the comments on that are way more fun than the article.

The invention that is American Idiot ruined good music for sure....The only place to find good music is in the alternative country, rock or folk arena, and you have to look for it. Look in small cafes, bars, etc., no large arenas, except for the Bruce's, Dylan's, Young's, etc. The only good music left are the oldies. That's what's on my xmas list.

When someone who shares the same first name as "Abner" of comic book fame gets the most nominations, you know the musical apocalypse is upon us.

Who wrote this article. Joel Selin or whover doesn't knpw &^%&$% about music. Look past the carp like lil wayne and cold play and you will hear some of the best music of all time. Adele is amazing, duffy is fantastic and MIA is ground breaking and that is not even the music I like. Hot Chip, Jason Mraz, Sam Sparro, kings of leon, beck, death cab, all amazing. The grammys will still suck because they will go commercial, but look deeper into the nominations and there is world amazing tunes.

etc.

Look past the carp.

http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-15763097.jpg?size=572&uid=%7B5C0E9884-CDCE-4788-82EF-F3A71D2F0D1D%7D
http://www.naturephoto-cz.com/photos/others/carp-20524.jpg

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Weird results. We all know who is going to win.