TS: Chambers/Flanagan/Cobb vs. Garrison/Tyner/Jones

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Sorry, "Rashied Ali" doesn't count. Sorry, I just do not like it, Sam-I-Am. I do not like it when it bleats, I do not like it when it tweets. I do not like it when it sizzles (or more often, when it fizzles). Call me Wynton, call me an ass, but I DO NOT, DO NOT, 'GET' FREE JAZZ!

dave q, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(That's not really true of course, free jazz is fine, I just felt the need to try and write a nursery rhyme. Damn that marijuana)

dave q, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

so i guess the ascension ensemble is out for an answer then.

i'll go with the former, since i've really paled on the latter in the last year or so. perhaps from overexposure via that damn box set i got for free.

jess, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'perhaps from overexposure via that damn box set i got for free'

Oh boo fuckin' hoo! :)

dave q, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

haha..yeah, it's a terrible life i live.

(the sequencing sucks, though!)

jess, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i can understand why tyner and jones vacated when they did (the argument that "meditations" is his best record ignores the fact that jones' comment that ali was playing "against and not with" him is basically true...also that "first meditations" recorded with just the quartet is the better record), but there's something kind of heartbreaking and sad and lovely about garrison following trane down this path of no-return right to his death. (i could do without the 18 minute solos in the later live stuff however.)

jess, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Garrison/Tyner/Jones.

No challange.

Hoever the other group was good, but the 'classic' quartet was on another level.

Geoffrey Balasoglou, Saturday, 1 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'd have to go with Garrison/Tyner/Jones, as i love how spazzed out Elvin Jones drumming gets when Coltrane heads for the stars, then Tyner hits those big fat blocky sounding chords.

I like the Atlantic Coltrane and early Prestige more that I like the hard bop music with Paul Chambers and Jimmy Cobb, although that is some pretty good music.

After Elvin and McCoy left Coltrane, his music just seems to be all over the place and I neither am that tuned in or tuned out enough to understand what the hell is going on. (I can't get into Ayler or Anthony Braxton either, that shit is too weird for me, especially that Braxton album with all of the calculus for titles. Funny enough, most of the really spacey Sun Ra sounds pretty cool to me, so go figure.)

Now if you did this same question throwing Carter/Hancock/Shorter/Williams into the picture, then it would get difficult.

earlnash, Sunday, 2 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link


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