t/s: sorcerer vs hatchback vs windsurf

after an initial lukewarm reception i am so hooked on these guys right now

windsurf

can't really decide; i have to say the sorcerer album is really underrated though

Sorcerer. The mix for Allez Allez a while back was good. Having said that I think White Diamond is my fav.

^^^ otm, except i think the pt miks of white diamond is the real winner (both parts)

Haven't heard Windsurf but of the others I'm going for Hatchback.

I love the open space and the rubbery and/or reverberating synth-sounds on the Sorcerer disc. Also: Reminds me of lots of 70s -- early 80s pop stuff (Hall & Oates and "Yacht Rock," somehow). If he edited the songs a bit, the White Magic disc would be dynamite.

I think all three are kind of patchy, although I only have the album sampler 12 and Surfing at Midnight by Sorcerer.

Love the one that opens the Windsurf album that sounds like Tears for Fears. Super-glossy.

Maybe half the Hatchback album is great, but I can't decide which half. I like the obvious ones, I guess - White Diamond, Carefree Highway and Nesso. Didn't really get on with Everything is Neu.

i love hatchbacks 10+ minute synthscapes or whatever u wanna call em. 'lotus & the robot' is a true jam.

i like driving my hatchback to the beach while listening to hatchback. then going for a little windsurf.

^^ you are a sorcerer

arent these all pretty much the same dudes?

surfing at midnight> white diamond > hatchback album > windsurf album > sorcerer album

Love these, but none are as good as the two Call and Response lps. Or the Rubies record, come to think of it.

"surfing at midnight" is pretty good, but "egyptian sunset" is the big sorcerer jam, imo.

if pressed to vote, probably would go with hatchback just because of "carefree highway"

the one shitty thing these guys did is that track towards the end of coastlines with the funky acoustic riff that sounds straight out of a home&garden type tv show

arent these all pretty much the same dudes?

Windsurf is Daniel Saxon Judd (aka. Sorcerer) and Samuel Milton Grawe (aka. Hatchback).

was trying to figure out what point you were trying to make by using their middle names till i figured out u probably c/ped that from somwhere

also they have great middle names

their middles names>>>>>their last names

apart they are merely synthesizer wizards, but their powers combined!

windsurf > hatchback > sorcerer

windsurf - better tracks/remixes

hatchback - white diamond (PT remix), and original

sorcerer - surfing at midnight

there's a new windsurf 12" with vocals(!) and beatbroker and studio remixes. just sayin

are the middle parts of your name eyes or boobies?

yes

would like to hear some love for hatchback's HORIZON, one of the all-time nu-kosmische jams

Am listening to the Hatchback album now, and liking "Carefree Horizon" a great deal, a bit Chris & Cosey crossed with Underworld's "Jumbo" to my untrained ear.

neil do you mean "carefree highway" or "horizon"?

Oops Carefree Highway! Horizon is great too, a definite 70s German space-electronica vibe to that one.

I think I need to revisit the Sorcerer album as i got it at the same time as about 4 others and probably didn't give it the attention it deserved. Over the last couple of months I've been loving the Windsurf and Hatchback albums and look forward to listening to them in some warmer weather this summer

this video is so great

any thoughts on "Neon Leon"? or am I missing this on a balearic thread

all tied right now for me

i had no idea, thanks

http://discohorror.com/2009/08/03/disco-horror-interviewscybers-with-sorcerer/

didn't know anything about this & am really enjoying it here in my sleeplessness so thank you to this thread & the people on it!!

j0hn you should join us on the balearic thread sometime

I lurk there sometimes, my engagement with that stuff is heavy dilettante territory, I just listen & enjoy but don't really know anything about it

i dont think anyone does really

i like it because it encourages you to be a dilettante; you tend to build yr balearic playlists by skimming other genres in search of a certain kind of 'feel'

yeah I dig that, it's more or less what I do w/all the long drawn-out synth droney stuff I'm rocking these days (schulze, roach, max corbacho), but it's hard for me to overcome my "figure out what the deal is enough to say something authoritative about it" urge with something where the aesthetic has elements of history/"retro"/reference as in some of this stuff. always want to say, "here's what's going on here."

I don't know if that thread is into James Ferraro but that stuff basically sends me into ecstasies of critical theory

o i have theories dude, Important Theories about memory & distance w/r/t certain kinds of synth sounds, but, u know, u have to visit me and my bong in my parents garage if u want to hear them

max the lol you just gave me is one I hope someday to repay with one of my trademarked Dumb Shit J0hn D Said or something, in yr debt for what seems like the fifth time in 24 hours

WOOooo El Condor. Didn't expect Sorcerer to get this shoegaze-y. This is a silly comparison, but it even reminds me of Ulrich Schnauss (god love him) if he weren't trying so hard.

nice Hatchback mix @ dreamchimney today

I played the Sorcerer album last weekend while sitting up against a giant piece of driftwood on the beach in Victoria, BC. The sun was shining, seagulls were flying, the waves were rushing over the rocks. It was sublime. Perfect soundtrack for a clear, brisk fall day at the beach.

hah, i probably listened to the new sorcerer album in victoria last weekend too, but wasn't the beach cold?? anyways neon leon really is wonderful, much better than i remember white magic being - definitely warrants a relisten

'push to freeze' is my early fave

i think this track ("remembering you" by i am the cosmos) kinda out-windsurfs windsurf
http://www.20jazzfunkgreats.co.uk/wordpress/2009/11/23/orchestral-manoeuvres-in-the-neon-field/#comments

damn, new hatchback is so boss ... catching lots of blade-runner-OST-by-vangelis vibes

^^ one of the year's finest so far

listened to this tonight inbetween "fairlights mallets and bamboo" and the mark mcguire comp. it was a good combo.

Album of the year for me....

holds up against all other albums that I thought I'd like more but ended up less.

The backwards guitar of Zeus & Apollo is just a perfect addition.

hard not to feel this. kind of button pushing, but really exquisite button pushing.

zeus and apollo is so fn good though

the stereo panning stuff in this is amazing, i feel like he is drawing lines through my brain cavity

Yeah its a great album, need to hear it on a real stereo

zeus and apollo is so fn good though

― plax (ico), Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:19 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

God the dream chimney mixes on their soundcloud page are both dope as hell.

God the dream chimney mixes on their soundcloud page are both dope as hell.

You should check out all the Cosmix mixes Ryan did

In case anyone's not heard them, there's some new Hatchback music on his soundcloud page.

Golden Eagle is epic

http://soundcloud.com/hatchback

Any thoughts on the Wierd Energy CD from Windsurf? Sounds like a more 80s Sorcerer.... if that's possible!

Really enjoying Weird Energy, and also Greeen Linez - Things That Fade which has a similar aesthetic.

after only one listen i agree that weird energy is pretty great (esp "cilantro vision"). dan is one of the nicest dudes ever, good to hear he's still at it.

i love that they're moving more and more towards completely straightfaced smoove '80s balearica, seems like few people outside of the claremont 56/international feel/esp institute axis have the balls to pull this off without adding extra layers of irony or digital manipulation or w/e (tho i like that type of thing too, tbh)

i'll have to keep an eye out for that greeen linez record

i don't listen to any of this stuff anymore, i should start again

if you haven't already given it a shot, you should probably start with the hatchback record from last year - tho it's a bit more new agey/cosmic than the rest of their output

still trying to get my hands on the flights of fancy stuff, based on the samples i've heard they seem to be nailing this vibe

damn, new hatchback is so boss ... catching lots of blade-runner-OST-by-vangelis vibes

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, June 24, 2011 1:16 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

now what

i think the peak of these dudes was "horizon" on the 1st hatchback record

so i guess wierd energy is the way to go, huh?

ha, guess you're mostly up to speed then. but yes. weird energy is definitely worth checking out.

did you ever post on the nu age hippies thread? not sure it's exactly in this vein but that was where i think most of the discussion re: that hatchback record was taking place

still trying to get my hands on the flights of fancy stuff, based on the samples i've heard they seem to be nailing this vibe

― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Sunday, October 7, 2012

Unreleased track posted yesterday:

http://soundcloud.com/international-feel/flights-of-fancy-spacebird

I guess the Greeen Linez stuff is pretty thick with 80's irony, it definitely has it's moments for me though.

just in case the music doesn't scream 80s enough someone's made a video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bWzaEWuv_g

^ feeling this, but the video is definitely a bit overkill. almost veering into macintosh plus-levels of '80s irony but that's not always a bad thing

and yeah that international feel compilation looks like it might be worth purchasing if you don't already have it all on vinyl. there's definitely some legit straightfaced smoothness on there, tho most of it has a proggy, sorta '70s vibe to it. if anyone is into this stuff and hasn't heard ifeel studio's "the coptic sun" you are in for a treat (i know we discussed ifeel studio on another thread, but i haven't been posting for like 2 months so i am having a hard time remembering which one).

the dr dunks remix of seahawks' "catch a star" track from earlier this year is pretty cool too, definitely a little reminiscent of "white diamond"

does anyone here know much about pacific horizons? i like what little i've heard, but most of the releases seem to be super limited and again very hard to get ahold of

I need to hear that IF comp! I've kind of slept on International Feel I think, should readdress. The last Seahawks I really liked was the Crue-L Grand Orchestra vs Seahawks' Bon Voyage Trip which is lovely but too expensive in these parts...

Should have posted the above elsewhere...

New Sorcerer sounding fantastic. Love Island Rescue:

http://soundcloud.com/a-kind-of-presence/akop001-sorcerer-island-rescue

yum

why isn't 3:20-4:26 in Weird Energy a ten-minute epic on its own? whyyyyy

does anyone here know much about pacific horizons? i like what little i've heard, but most of the releases seem to be super limited and again very hard to get ahold of

Seconding this. I just heard "Stealing the Fire From Heaven" on Weatherall's "Masterpiece" mix and need to know everything about them.

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/451919-01.htm

I've got the Beaches of the Black Sea EP which is great (although only two tracks long).

Pretty sure they've just released another new one fairly recently

I downloaded their available stuff from itunes this morning and I'm catching up with it between classes. The track itself is sadly a bit Balearic-by-numbers (bongos, bird chirps, Spanish guitars) but I couldn't resist something called "Jack Parsons' Laboratory."

zeus & apollo by hatchback has been an oasis of calm in my life

Glad that album has been as good to you as it has been to me. I'm still reaching for it when I need to relax my mind. Really glad I picked it up on vinyl too.

it is lovely.

tho i equally enjoy their "red rainbows" mix posted here a few years back.

Hatchback posted a new mix on soundcloud a couple of weeks ago:

http://m.soundcloud.com/hatchback/smog-lanes

wow. thanks. that's a gorgeous mix.

oh ma, "paradise drive" <3 <3 <3

New Hatchback mix has just dropped:

https://soundcloud.com/the-dream-chimney/mix-of-the-week-japanese-love-boat

This Sorcerer megamix is a few years old but I'm enjoying it NOW

https://soundcloud.com/sorcerermusic/sorcerer-mega-mixx-2011

New Sorcerer album on bandcamp:

http://sorcerermusic.bandcamp.com/album/jungle-hideout

Third Sorcerer album out officially on Friday.

https://www.piccadillyrecords.com/counter/product.php?pid=113081

New Hatchback album is lush.

Maybe not quite as horizontal as Zeus & Apollo (although the gorgeous 15 minute Onarimon would not have been out of place on it).

https://soundcloud.com/the-dream-chimney/dc-promo-tracks-249-hatchback-humidity-report-1976

New Sorcerer album came out yesterday on Dream Chimney too.
https://dreamchimney.bandcamp.com/album/tape-dreams

A little bit more muscular than the things he's been posting to Soundcloud for the last couple of years. I like it a lot. There's a cassette edition of 100 as well if you're that way inclined, although the shipping was like three times the cost of the tape so I passed.

Coastlines sounded great this afternoon, my first exposure to this scene

New Sorcerer coming, just in time for summer: https://diskunion.net/clubt/ct/detail/1008327989

He's always on time

I prefer Hatchback to Sorcerer but the new Sorcerer coming on Growing Bin is giving me some excitement.

Sorcerer has again informed us that sumer is icumen in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_oSm7uX7Sw

Windsurf's "Weird Energy" video now makes me feel nostalgic for the late 00s nostalgia for the late 80s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_sACPIsvXU

thumbs up

was listening to neon Leon the other day, great warm evening album. Not as good as white magic tho

“carefree highway” is still the absolute peak imo

man the section of Weird Energy that starts at 3:19 is heartbreakingly good

Everyone who has this thread bookmarked needs to go watch The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill right away