http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/malcolm-mclaren-dies-aged-64-1939621.html
I was just thinking it was time for a revival of his work as a recording artist
:/
― Alba, Thursday, 8 April 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 8 April 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
rip
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 8 April 2010 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I was listening to Duck Rock just yesterday. :(
― fit and working again, Thursday, 8 April 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I had no idea he was ill.
― fit and working again, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh no! ;_;
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
― Convenience Fish (snoball), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
do the double dutch in heaven, malcolm
Heh eboebo ebo ebonettes
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZLNqAa6roOs/SkspM2bmzKI/AAAAAAAABs8/KwcruZ1J_vg/s400/scratchin%27.jpg
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link
wow, bummer. one of the great rock'n'roll hype men. and "buffalo gals" is total A+ godhead classic.
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link
i've listening to a a bunch of the work he did with World's Famous Supreme Team over the last few months. His Waltz Darling album too. both had moments of sheer beauty and genius.
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link
but that Algebra song is bollocks
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Love the 12" mix of Madame Butterfly and Double Dutch.
― Doran, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link
his website currently reads: "Malcolm will return shortly..."
― hellzapoppa (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link
nu-Easter
― velko, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link
radiant baby = instant cred
― altered dominant (get bent), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link
― I don't need a bonghit. (ctrl-s), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
@jesshopp I never regarded Malcolm McLaren as anything other than the creepy svengali coaxing 14yo Annabella Lwin's nudity on BowWowWow covers. Sors.
I'd like to find one thing that doesn't offend Jessica Hopper's delicate sensibilities, plz.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Duck Rock is grade A classic. this is sad.
― aztec gamera (zappi), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link
^^Absolutely, justifiably Metal Box/NMTB gets all the kudos, but I go back to Duck Rock a lot more than those pair. Love, love, love some of the Waltz Darling material too, especially this which manages to be both sensual, funny and a whole lotta strange.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcc3mgXnUzY
― The Man With the Magic Eardrums (Billy Dods), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link
you were really something else
― m@tt (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLQRIXZdLhM
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Aw, this sucks. Underrated for his musical output in my opinion - he had a great run for a few years - Duck Rock, Swamp Think, Fans, Round The Outside are all great idiocyncratic albums. Perhaps over-rated as a mover and shaker but I have always been impressed by his attitude and creativity. His general process seems to be "let's throw a bunch of disparate things together and if it works, we'll glorify our vision later" - a technique that a lot of people copied.
― everything, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Just thinking about him pontificating from the bath in the Great Rock'N'Roll Swindle brings a smile to my face.
― everything, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
His last interview about the whole pistols/punk thing must surely then be the one in Jon Savage's 'Englands's Dreaming Tapes' from last year. It's a brilliant interview and like nothing i'd ever read him do before, very honest about the whole era with none of the usual attendant hype.
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
― Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm a bit shocked but wasn't he kind of a colossal jerk? Just thinking back to the later Pistols years, the whole Adam & The Ants/Bow Wow Wow thing...
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
never thought kim fowley would outlive malcom.
r.i.p. malcom! thanx for the great music. thanx for getting bow wow wow together! (a band more near and dear to me than the sex pistols)
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
i think the whole adam/bow wow wow thing ended up working well for everyone. in retrospect.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Agreed.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
um except Adam?
― mikebee (BATTAGS), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link
The whole um.. 'Chicken' magazine episode is the real clincher for anyone looking for reasons to diss him but i mean.. let's not go into THAT.
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Blackpoolhoaxer This was filmed in The Bronx in June 1983. I was there!! It was not made in S. Africa. The music comes from there and may have been recorded there but this vid was shot in a youth club in Bronx. I was 17 and was there while this was being filmed. It took about 3 hours all up. My brother was going out with a girl who worked at Arista records and she arranged it. Had to pay our own air fare though!!
― ✌.✰|ʘ‿ʘ|✰.✌ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP.
What is the deal with this line from the NY Times:
"Fronted by John Lydon — whose repugnant appearance and Irish background earned him the stage name Johnny Rotten"
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/malcolm-mclaren-impresario-and-rock-music-manager-is-dead/
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link
?!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link
ny times gettin' back into its circa 1893 anti-Irish thang
― tylerw, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway, RIP -- dude was a character!
Nice obit and Top 5 and an old interview, from Popjustice: http://www.popjustice.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4628&Itemid=206
― piscesx, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Love the 12" mix of Madame Butterfly...
Thought I was the only one on the planet who was a fan of "Fans!"
RIP Malcolm, you provacateur you.
― I turn it up when I hear the banjo (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
No way, "Fans" is total classic. That "Madame Butterfly" interpretation was mind-blowing when I first heard it and seems no less now.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
RIP Malcolm.
― dad a, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
Was hoping this was a put-on. RIP
― A Century Of Elvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Last time I was up in Manchester I was singing Fans' praises with PiscesX after a chance encounter in the Cornerhouse as it goes...
― Doran, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link
This is why I love ILX. No one in my real life likes (or has even heard) "Fans."
― I turn it up when I hear the banjo (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i like it too! let's form a fan club.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
14yo me supported him on this issue tbqh
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link
well, i liked it when it came out a bunch. can't say i've heard it much since.
"14yo me supported him on this issue tbqh"
OTM! same here. i was totally in love.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 April 2010 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link
r u confusing "Double Dutch" with "Buffalo Gals"?
Nope. "Double Dutch" was the UK hitlist hit from the "Duck Rock" album.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 9 April 2010 10:48 (fourteen years ago) link
the biggest UK hitlist hit, I mean.
― Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Friday, 9 April 2010 10:49 (fourteen years ago) link
are there good books about/by mclaren? the 2002 momus interview linked above mentions malcolm writing a book, was this an autobiography and did it ever come out?
― NI, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.malcolmmclaren.com/
Lol.
― Matt DC, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:29 (fourteen years ago) link
The Word have done a tribute playlist on Spotify: http://bacn.me/1a6s
― mike t-diva, Friday, 9 April 2010 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link
xxxpost I think Momus was alluding to the potential autobiography Malcolm might write.
― fit and working again, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link
The Wicked Ways of Malcolm McLaren was an authorized biography, rather than an autobiography but it certainly tells his side of the story. It's a good read. I can't see that a subsequent autobiography would have been worthwhile, although there are a couple of things that are skimmed over like the post-Duck Rock recording of the Swamp Thing tracks. I'd like to know more about that.
― everything, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
It's been a long time since I read Wicked Ways, I don't have a copy, and I've read more Pistols books than is healthy, but I think the account of the whole ugly Chicken episode from Rip It Up and Start Again is lifted pretty much directly from there. If I'm right, he authorised it, warts and all.
― Soukesian, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
It's been a few years since I read it too - I got it from the library. I do remember that Chicken thing but the impression I got that it was a wind-up that never went anywhere. At no point was it suggested that he thought a p0rn mag for kids was a good idea.
― everything, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link
It's a good idea for comedy prank! c.f. Brass Eye
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 9 April 2010 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link
geir "double dutch" is not a square dance song, it's borrowing quite obviously from african music, esp. mbaqanga, no?
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 9 April 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
actually what i am doing, geir doesn't know the difference between those things. and he'll probably assert that there is no difference. i might as well be trying to get my alarm clock to distinguish between brahms and bruckner.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 9 April 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link
Double Dutch is based on a Boyoyo Boys song:
This group would perhaps be unknown outside of South Africa had they not come to the attention of the great rock & roll swindler, Malcolm McLaren, who took their hit single "Puleng" and adapted it for his own production, "Double Dutch." McLaren came to blows with the Boys after refusing to share the royalities from his single. Only after a lengthy legal struggle did the group receive their due. Out of court and on stage, the Boyoyo Boys offer an ebullient music, consisting of chanted, bouncing rhythms. The group suffered a tragic blow in 1984 with the slaying of their drummer, but with their next album, proved to the world that they were Back in Town.
― Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Friday, 9 April 2010 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link
to be fair to geir, he's not necessarily talking about DD when he mentions square dancing:
"Well, "Double Dutch" was being played on constant rotation"..."so for me it's more about his own work. Which was interesting in its own way with its combination of modern beats and electronics together with American square dance."
the subject has widened by the end there.
watched buffalo gals video again this morning. it's an odd mix of seven brides for seven brothers and breakdance 2 (electric boogaloo). the next one was weirder, squaredancing done be people wearing american sportswear chic (pre-dating tank girl by some years). i'd completely forgotten Soweto and the Zulu thing (which were great, but relatively untouched by him)
― koogs, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link
but later in the thread he says, no, i wasn't talking about buffalo gals, but double dutch.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 9 April 2010 20:17 (fourteen years ago) link
possible "xpost", but this needs to be shared:
Anarchy in Gardenstown - how Sex Pistols guru was thrown out of a Highland village - The Scotsmanhttp://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Anarchy-in-Gardenstown--how.3283235.jp
― PaulTMA, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:19 (fourteen years ago) link
lol
McLaren forced his way back and declared: "Jesus is a sausage," before being bundled from the podium.
― you've been shite, son, in your daft pink boots (onimo), Saturday, 10 April 2010 01:04 (fourteen years ago) link
My mate at Southern Records says that all film sequels should have the same upgrade as Breakdance. And when you consider Schindler's List 2 (Electric Boogaloo) or The Unbearable Lightness Of Being 2 (Electric Boogaloo) or Threads 2 (Electric Boogaloo), I can only make him right.
― Doran, Saturday, 10 April 2010 09:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Ebert remembers Who Killed Bambi?
― Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
WFMU just ran Irwin Chusid's 1983 interview with MMcL...really interesting, worth listening to the archived show when it's updated later this evening.
― millions now zinging will never lol (WmC), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link
I found that Ebert piece to be really interesting. The idea of Meyer, Ebert, McLaren and Rotten all working together is quite a thing to contemplate. Not really surprising it didn't work out but it has to be one of the great "what ifs" of 20th century popular culture. Thanks for linking. It's weird how there's a couple of bits that almost foreshadow what would happen in real life, like the final line of the movie would have been Rotten saying "Did yer ever had the feeling yer being watched" and Sid's quote after reading the script "I don't think my mum will like the bit about the heroin".
― everything, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
my bit...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JySddEdGkVY/S8ZMZPlvydI/AAAAAAAAAcA/TXY2i252Qco/s1600/God-Save-Malcolm--WHT-T.jpg
http://pollywannacracka.blogspot.com/2010/04/duck-rock-4-life.html
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 15 April 2010 04:35 (fourteen years ago) link
that momus/mclaren interview linked above makes both of them seem like pretentious nitwits. which sounds about right.
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2010 08:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i thought it was a great interview. 8yrs on it makes me wonder where and in who the spirit of punk is hiding now ?
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 15 April 2010 09:54 (fourteen years ago) link
The spirit of punk was reincarnated in a baby girl born in Asia born on 1/1/2000. She will restore punk to world dominance in 2018.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 15 April 2010 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Aja?
― Mark G, Thursday, 15 April 2010 12:37 (fourteen years ago) link
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:54 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
like for serious? they just come off as pompous wankers to me. especially all the "people nowadays, they've lost touch with (x)" speculation which in my mind = total blowhard. through, i dunno, baudrillard into the mix and there'd be stratospheric levels of self-satisfied hyperbole about the "zeitgeist."
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
also "spirit of punk" whatevs
― by another name (amateurist), Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
isn't momus like philosophically opposed to punk, too? he's mentioned this numerous times.
two 'pompous wankers' talking smack is what makes it great. and yeah 'spirit of punk', oi oi and the whole subversive fuck the world thing, i know it's cliche but whos doing that these days ?
'isn't momus like philosophically opposed to punk, too? he's mentioned this numerous times."
haha...and who sounds like pretentious twat now then
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
"whole subversive fuck the world thing, i know it's cliche but whos doing that these days"
I feel the magnet-denials/fuck-the-worldism of ICP are subversive but in the wrong direction.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link
er what? momus has written that about punk numerous times here and on his various web sites. just strikes me as odd that he would reject the sex pistols and then look to mclaren as some kind of guru.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 16 April 2010 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link
i saw a couple wearing matching ICP t-shirts in the health-food co-op today.
punk music was bollocks if you ask me but the DIY ethics and aesthetics were choice. McLaren was always more than the one dimension the sex pistols portrayed.
so yeah, dunno about guru but as a role model on how to make grand artistic statements irrespective of success, failure or morality, he was quite inspirational.
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Friday, 16 April 2010 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link
everyone seems to have behaved brilliantly over this, it seems to have brought out the best in all his ex friends ex enemies ex wives and whoever else. no one's had a bad word to say.
even NME has got it right, their best cover in *years*
http://www.nme.com/layout/magImage.php
― piscesx, Friday, 16 April 2010 05:01 (fourteen years ago) link
time heals i wounds, i guess. or maybe he made up with people late in life. certainly he fucked enough people over once upon a time.
― by another name (amateurist), Friday, 16 April 2010 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link
"time heals i wounds" is of course the bad brains version of "time heals all wounds"
"Momus says nowt but his prayers, y'knaa"
― Mark G, Friday, 16 April 2010 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Funeral was today.
Guess who: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47694000/jpg/_47694434_adamant_getty226282.jpg
― Mark G, Thursday, 22 April 2010 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Adam Ant - look'n like a hobo
...as if he needed the pic on his hat
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 22 April 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link
I've must have seen a dozen WDYLL threads, and I'll be damned if there's a man or woman amongst us who can call Adam fucking Ant out for looking like a hobo.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 22 April 2010 20:57 (fourteen years ago) link
If only i knew what a WDYLL thread was ?
Just sayin prince charming seems a lifetime ago. Anyone got a full frontal of the pic to see how the head matches the rest of the ensemble ?
or a photostream of the funeral/procession. It sounded fittingly grand and irreverently spectacular.
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Thursday, 22 April 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/4/22/1271945221542/Malcolm-McLaren-Funeral-006.jpg
hobo chic ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/gallery/2010/apr/22/malcolm-mclaren-funeral?lightbox=1
― beat boy damager, power 2 the people (Its all about face), Sunday, 25 April 2010 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link
he looks good for his age, tho.
regarding mclaren being some sort of shady, untrustworthy character in business deals...
what did he actually do that was so bad? aside from kicking adam ant out of his own band. or is this just a rep he played up himself?
― max arrrrrgh, Sunday, 25 April 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
― piscesx, Friday, 16 April 2010 06:01 (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ha. will this image change every week now?
― max arrrrrgh, Sunday, 25 April 2010 21:35 (fourteen years ago) link
ah brilliant! i hope so. wonder why it does/ did that? how very 21st century.
― piscesx, Sunday, 25 April 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Funeral sounds a laugh anywayhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/25/malcolm-mclaren-funeral-sean-ohagan
― sonofstan, Sunday, 25 April 2010 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Ebert publishes Who Killed Bambi? to the web
― Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 26 April 2010 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
hmmm.....
― Mark G, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 07:19 (fourteen years ago) link
anyone else at this point in malcolm mclaren and the bootzilla orchestra's "call a wave" hear "women of ireland", e.g. this kind of bit?
― conrad, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 15:12 (two weeks ago) link