Let's Bitch About Our Stupid, Annoying Baseball Team: the 2024 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

I don't know a shortcut for checking that, but wouldn't be surprised at all--that's hard to do.

Jays' best ever outfield is back in full force this year

GEORGE SPRINGER!!! 😱😱😱 pic.twitter.com/RX9SMQkmJk

— MLB (@MLB) April 28, 2024

best ever outfield defence* 😏

Bell was adequate at best, but Moseby was really good and Barfield was legendary--close call?

i though Bell was terrible?!

when springer made that catch the stadium went so berzerk, my friend's kid started crying from the commotion!

xp

for the 3 main outfielders last year - KK was 2nd in MLB with a 15 OAA, Varsho 4th with 11, and Springer average. I can't speak for the '85 guys, but that's pretty damn good.

Not as close as I thought (and I actually forgot about KK!)--Moseby's dWARS were all negative from '86-88. For all three guys:

1985 - +2.3
1986 - +2.3
2023 - +4.6

Bell's number aren't great across his career, usually ~ -1.0 each season, but in line with lots of other sluggers, think. I'm influenced by something James once wrote, about working for Bell on an arbitration case and the research he did (pre-WAR and everything, obviously) that showed none of Bell's errors that year cost the Jays any wins. My memory, too, is that he was average, but not Dave Kingman out there.

Oops (important correction) -- that should be '84 and '85, not '85 and '86.

they scored 6! First time since Apr 6.

I really enjoyed watching IKF play shortstop. Bo definitely doesn't come with the same level of surety.
Vlad belted a couple hard liners.
and Pearson International with the save - sick curveball to end it after throwing heater after heater in the triple digits.

the KC broadcast is my favourite that I know of - though Rex wasn't there I don't think

Counting down till when the mighty White Sox and Athletics pass the Jays in runs scored.

1 run each of last 2 games since finally scoring 6. this is just sad. Bo was the rock last last year, don't know what could be going on

Why they're no fun in a nutshell (trust this is accurate): "Dating back to last year's All-Star Break, the BlueJays are 0-37 in games they trailed by 3 or more runs. No other team has gone winless in that time."

a smaller nutshell: few home runs

Probably a good day to sneak Manoah in there with all the Leafs post-mortems dominating local media. Wish they'd saved yesterday's rare jump-start for today.

Not pretty, to put it mildly. Gave up a 6-1 lead, couldn't get to the 5th: 4 IP, 6 hits, 4 walks, 6 ER (and one unearned), 92 pitches. Manoah did strike out 6, the one positive. I didn't see it all, but he can't throw a strike when he needs to, and it all seems to flow from there.

It’s at the point where I’ve turned off notifications for this team. I’d rather follow teams that have starters going for my fantasy squad than this dismal shittrain.

The bet on Berríos was pretty much my last reason to pay attention, and that blew up tonight. (I guess I still have to, though, with five of them on my fantasy team.) In all honesty, I want them to be forced into a position to tear it down and start over, rather than limp into September five games out of a WC.

This isn't the bottom yet, the Phillies are a really good team. We have six games against the White Sox in the second half of the month. If they go 2-4 in those games, I will turn off notifications too.

But with games vs MIN, TBR, and BAL coming up before that, things could get ugly (well, uglier) in a hurry.

If this is somehow searchable, I think I have the perfect record for this team to pursue: worst team ever not to get swept all season. How many series does a team play during a year--about 50? Right now, the Jays are 3 games under .500, but 12/12 in not getting swept. They're an easy team to beat but a tough team to sweep.

I was close--Jays will play 52 series in 2024.

https://jaysjournal.com/posts/former-blue-jays-first-round-pick-all-star-begins-toronto-comeback-with-minor-league-deal

The Blue Jays have been turning over rocks looking for minor-league pitching depth in the past week...The latest rock turned up former Blue Jay first round pick and All-Star Aaron Sanchez, who appears to have signed a non-roster, minor-league deal to return to the organization.

"The latest rock"--I like that.

Nice article in the Athletic about Travis Snider and what he's up to these days. In short, he started an organization to provide emotional and psychological support to child athletes. Essentially he wants to make sure kids have the support that he didn't. I didn't know he experienced so much personal tragedy in his life even before breaking into MLB.

It's fun to revisit our old board posts about Snider, this one of mine is a personal fave:

Those "what if?" scenarios might be reasonable if we were dealing with an ordinary manager, but Cito Gaston has a long history of not knowing the first thing about breaking in young players. Longoria's age isn't the point -- he's just one example among plenty that if you've got a top prospect on the big club then you PLAY THEM and stick with them and that's how they become stars. The fact that the team is hitting well at the moment is also not the point -- this is about the big picture, and nobody thinks about that when the team can do no wrong because whatever they're doing now is presumably "working". But the Jays' management is supposed to be thinking about the big picture, which means this: Bautista shouldn't be playing in place of Snider. EVER.

The Jays have been hedging their bets with their young stars for the past 15 years and that's a big reason why the team has been mediocre for so long. They pulled exactly the same crap with Lind last year and they're doing it again with Snider.

― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 18 April 2009 01:03 (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've never been so right *and* so wrong in the same post!

Switched back to the jays when they’d closed the gap to 8-6. Been a real fun two innings.

Only saw the first few innings, but Manoah looked sharp today. He gave up a 3-run HR later on, but it was preceded by an error and all the runs were unearned. At a team level, it doesn't matter--they're deader than dead. But promising for him.

was a very unexpectedly strong performance.

Also was not expecting a win tonight against that team. With that pitcher.

Thou will not be swept; thou will not sweep.

wild game.

I could not make sense of some of the umpires calls. And then that 9th inning. Think I’m going back to not watching their games for a while

I actually enjoy listening to "Jays Talk" when everything's falling apart. Instead of feeling silly over my own disgust, I get to vicariously experience that through the disgust of others.

It makes it so much worse!

The big topic today, of course, was the decision to put in Pearson. Hosts were livid.

Why on earth would they send Manoah out for the 7th? I haven't been watching, but it looks like he's pitched six dominant innings (1 walk, 1 hit, 5 strikeouts, 90 pitches). They're up 3-0. What good can come by extending that? He's already got the confidence-building start he needs.

Looks like he finished the seventh right around 100 pitches, with a one-hitter. Nice to see him maybe getting things sorted out.

I think it was a risk, but it worked out. He's a guy who thrives on confidence and swagger, so this feels like it could be a breakthrough.

Meanwhile, the Jays continue their streak of not sweeping and not being swept. They almost blew it the other day by sweeping the Orioles, but they came through again by squandering a 9th-inning lead.

Ah - I think Zack Pop’s 9th was a good example of why Schneider wanted to stick with a starter that was dealing.

I knew that was the consideration--their bullpen has been terrible lately--but to me that's an easy call. Maybe this is blasphemous, but between a win or a loss for a team going nowhere and getting Manoah back on track for next year, I'd risk the win.

(If that makes sense...I'd rather risk the bullpen blowing the game than risk Manoah blemishing a great start.)

I thinks it’s fair to say Manoah would have pushed back against getting pulled. Leaving him in was the obvious choice. “Letting the bullpen blow another game” would not have been good for anybody.

Next 13 games against the White Sox, Tigers, and Pirates. It will be a real challenge not to sweep the White Sox especially, but I believe the Jays are up--or down--to it.

I'm sure Ross Atkins saw some encouraging signs in tonight's shutout loss to the White Sox, but I'm hoping this gets us that much closer to the point where they turn the page and start over (whatever that might mean).

Justin Turner by the month:

https://i.postimg.cc/KYyNSKFn/turner.jpg

I wonder if he’s playing through something. I was really shocked at how much the Jays played him in the field. He was awful after days he played in the field last year. Wonder if he picked up an injury then.

Sickness seems to be part of it but not the whole story. Falling off a cliff at age 39 or thereabouts is not unusual--it's possible the one has hastened the other.

https://jaysjournal.com/posts/justin-turner-epic-collapse-proving-to-be-worst-case-scenario-for-blue-jays

Maybe. Hate to see it either way.

I have to laugh at one line in that Jays Journal link: "He had been dealing with a sickness that ran through the Blue Jays' clubhouse for over a week..."

Diagnosis: Offensiva Anemicosa, a complete inability to score runs.

RISPitis

Pretty accurate, I'd say:

I feel like Ross Atkins watches a lot of those disney movies where a sports team is shitty until an amazingly talented dog joins, or until they host a bake sale that gives them the ability to buy all new equipment, and then suddenly they become amazing and win the championship.

— female jays fan (@femalejaysfan) May 19, 2024