X is by any standards a better writer than Y. -Z
Fill in the unknowns.
― Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Hamletmachine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 October 2009 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link
The fact that what X is entertaining us about is reality and madness, time and death, sin and salvation -- this has escaped most critics. Nobody notices that we have our own homegrown Y. -Z
― Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Hamletmachine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 October 2009 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link
for example?
― Zeno, Saturday, 3 October 2009 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link
A,B,C, stand aside. D is now a better short story writer than you will ever be again during the rest of your lives. -E
― Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Hamletmachine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 October 2009 01:10 (fifteen years ago) link
the second one: X=Dick, Y= Borges, Z- Le Guin
Are we supposed to answer these, or list more?
― challop of ghouls (CharlieS), Saturday, 3 October 2009 04:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes!
Either answer or list more. Please list more.
― Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Hamletmachine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 October 2009 13:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Thus, if you read X and Y you will be struck by the indecency of the one, and the obscurity of the other. - Z
― alimosina, Wednesday, 7 October 2009 03:32 (fifteen years ago) link
that's gotta be Woolf on Joyce and Eliot, innit?
― dick made the cover, now count how many cheneys on it (bernard snowy), Thursday, 8 October 2009 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link
None other!
― alimosina, Thursday, 8 October 2009 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link
X is our Y - Z
(Sorry, can't find longer version of quote. Will give hints later)
― Welcome To The King Pleasure-dome (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2009 04:41 (fifteen years ago) link
that could be lots of things though! everyone's always saying that. and everyone is always "our" chekhov. alice munro is our chekhov - cynthia ozick how come nobody is ever our gogol? apparently chekhov was a dime a dozen.
― scott seward, Monday, 23 November 2009 05:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I know I know. OK, two of them are sci-fi writers, one is male one is female. One has already been mentioned on this thread, one's name is pronounced same as somebody mentioned on thread.
― Welcome To The King Pleasure-dome (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2009 05:27 (fifteen years ago) link
And one is Great American Author.
― Welcome To The King Pleasure-dome (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2009 05:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Dick, Borges, LeGuin?
― Øystein, Monday, 23 November 2009 08:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh wait, I see that one upthread already. Drat.
― Øystein, Monday, 23 November 2009 08:12 (fifteen years ago) link
The last name is correct. I guess she has a tendency for this kind of thing. Second name is Great North American Author. Still cannot find longer version of the quote.
― Welcome To The King Pleasure-dome (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2009 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link
So it's Gene Wolfe is our... uh. Nabokov? Probably not. Gene Wolfe is our, hrm, can't be Melville or James, can it? Seems good names to go for if you wanna say something's major, though. Pynchon? Nah. But it's got to be someone who does unreliable narrators though, right? Hell, maybe the Wolfe is wrong too, but he seems the kinda guy someone would compare with a big name, AND his name's homophonous with Woolf. Oh well.
― Øystein, Monday, 23 November 2009 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes. You got it. Wolfe, Melville, LeGuin.
― Welcome To The King Pleasure-dome (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 November 2009 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link
i guess i should read some gene wolfe. i still need to read some jack vance though after reading that big article on how amazing jack vance is in the new york times. i'm still schooling myself when it comes to the sci-fi elders.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 24 November 2009 01:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Øystein, kudos to you for persevering on this thankless task.
― Welcome To The King Pleasure-dome (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 24 November 2009 01:54 (fifteen years ago) link
X is insanely plausible. He writes like the demented son of W or Y or maybe Z
― Ian Hunter Is Learning the Game (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 27 May 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
too easily googleable but it looks like the book it refers to might be fun.
― thomasintrouble, Monday, 28 May 2012 11:02 (twelve years ago) link
That last one is becoming harder to google. X=Thomas Berger, W=Lewis Carroll, Y=Edward Lear, Z=Nabokov. Think the author of the quote was Evan S. Connell.
― Oulipo Traces (on a Cigarette) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2013 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
Evan S. Connell, Jr.
Anyway
Cross A with W, stir in a good dose of Y, a pinch of Z, mix thoroughly, pour into a frosted glass, garnish with a peyote button, and you will more or less have X's B, a potation which otherwise defies description, categorization, or imitation. Only X would be crazy enough to mix one of these, and only X has the wit to make it go down smooth.
― Oulipo Traces (on a Cigarette) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2013 01:08 (eleven years ago) link
Jesus Christ Scott read some Vance!!! He is the fucking bomb.
― 2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Monday, 27 May 2013 01:20 (eleven years ago) link
And LeGuin never called him "Our Cervantes"
― 2 huxtables and a sousaphone (Jon Lewis), Monday, 27 May 2013 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
Answer:Cross Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman with Aristophanes, stir in a good dose of Ron Goulart, a pinch of Vonnegut, mix thoroughly, pour into a frosted glass, garnish with a peyote button, and you will more or less have Robert Sheckley's Dramocles, a potation which otherwise defies description, categorization, or imitation. Only Sheckley would be crazy enough to mix one of these, and only Sheckley has the wit to make it go down smooth.
-NORMAN SPINRAD
― Oulipo Traces (on a Cigarette) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
Really this thread should have been called something like "Rescue yr favorite old school book-blurbs from oblivion by posting them here. Especially sci-fi but others welcome too."
― Oulipo Traces (on a Cigarette) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2013 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
OK, here's a non-sci-fi one.
I once confessed to Z that I was allergic both to X and to his poetry. "I don't know what all the fuss is about," Z said. "He's just an American Y."
― alimosina, Monday, 27 May 2013 22:47 (eleven years ago) link
I dunno, but it is funny.
― Oulipo Traces (on a Cigarette) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2013 23:30 (eleven years ago) link
No I was off by one name. The original quote is "“Saul Bellow, Philip Roth, Norman Mailer, stand aside. Harlan Ellison is now a better short story writer than you will ever be again during the rest of your lives.”
Because, as we all know, these first three were famous for their short stories. /him_with_his_foot_in_his_mouth
― Oulipo Traces (on a Cigarette) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2013 23:35 (eleven years ago) link
Also "than you will ever be again during the rest of your lives"- how can he know?
― Oulipo Traces (on a Cigarette) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 May 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
OK, here's a non-sci-fi one./I once confessed to Z that I was allergic both to X and to his poetry. "I don't know what all the fuss is about," Z said. "He's just an American Y."/
/I once confessed to Z that I was allergic both to X and to his poetry. "I don't know what all the fuss is about," Z said. "He's just an American Y."/
― The Invention of Worrell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 June 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link
I once confessed to Philip Larkin that I was allergic both to Lowell and to his poetry. 'I don't know what all the fuss is about,' Philip said. 'He's just an American Heath-Stubbs.'
― alimosina, Sunday, 26 June 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link
And this was written by- Kingsley Amis?
― The Invention of Worrell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 June 2016 22:08 (eight years ago) link
Letter from X to Y:
I was enraged to see they gave the £40 to Z; still now you and Rosamond can join in blaming her. Who is she? What is this book? And so you can't buy your carpet.
― The Invention of Worrell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:16 (eight years ago) link
Charles Osborne of the British Arts Council.
― alimosina, Sunday, 17 July 2016 21:37 (eight years ago) link
A fine intellectual writer, X is here sharper and more substantial than Y. -Z
― The Pickety 33⅓ Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 May 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
If the Y had been literary rather than thespic fantasists ... they would have been X." — Z
― The Pickety 33⅓ Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 May 2017 16:20 (seven years ago) link
(Arrgh unpaired unneeded quotation mark)
― The Pickety 33⅓ Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 May 2017 16:21 (seven years ago) link
Evan Connell comparison of Thomas Berger is from New York Magazine review of Neighbors: https://books.google.com/books?id=IOQCAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=%22INSANELY+PLAUSIBLE+HE+WRITES+LIKE+THE+DEMENTED+SON%22&source=bl&ots=uzUOcMtcyI&sig=vp9B0tOfjhDQFFwGYM8A0SDcGcM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwit2vyevpDUAhXCRCYKHd3bAAcQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22INSANELY%20PLAUSIBLE%20HE%20WRITES%20LIKE%20THE%20DEMENTED%20SON%22&f=false
― The Pickety 33⅓ Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 May 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
X at his best is Y-and-soda. His fizzing nihilism expresses itself most pungently at short-story length. -Z
― The Pickety 33⅓ Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 May 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link
https://mobile.nytimes.com/1996/12/08/books/jacketeering.html
― Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 June 2017 01:34 (seven years ago) link
― Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 July 2017 11:11 (seven years ago) link
lol never change Michael
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 July 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
RIP, Harlan Ellison
― Uncle Redd in the Zingtime (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 June 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
RIP™, surely
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 29 June 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link
Lol, yes
― Uncle Redd in the Zingtime (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 June 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
She is X’s heir and Y’s sister.-Z
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 01:44 (three years ago) link
This one is really obvious, but:
In his earliest time I thought he (X) perhaps contained the seeds of an English Y; but I have given that up in proportion as he has come down steadily from the simple in subject to the more simple–from the Anglo-Indians to the natives, from the natives to the Tommies, from the Tommies to the quadrupeds, from the quadrupeds to the fish, and from the fish to the engines and screws. - Z
― Lily Dale, Sunday, 28 February 2021 21:05 (three years ago) link
X is Kipling? Z ... Wells?
― the pinefox, Monday, 1 March 2021 09:13 (three years ago) link
Yes to Kipling, no to Wells.
― Lily Dale, Monday, 1 March 2021 17:49 (three years ago) link
The Kipling part was what I meant when I said this one was obvious, btw.
Y is Balzac, Z is Henry James
― Lily Dale, Monday, 1 March 2021 23:09 (three years ago) link
imo, Mr. James should have just re-read his Balzac instead of trying to spawn an English reproduction of him. heaven knows Balzac wrote enough to satisfy most people's thirst for Balzac-ness.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Monday, 1 March 2021 23:18 (three years ago) link
I believe the example in the OP also appeared in one of David Markson's books.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
I am bad at these games but want to know what this one is. Anybody got any guesses before I just ask for it to be revealed?
― emil.y, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 15:57 (three years ago) link
Do you want hints? Initials?
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
How about saying who 'she' is?
― jmm, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:07 (three years ago) link
Is there a genre you could point to, or is it in the vague purportedly genreless world of "literary fiction"?
― emil.y, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link
Slipstream, according to Christopher Priest.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:23 (three years ago) link
Aha, I was thinking sci-fi so not that far away. Are any of the authors involved Le Guin?
― emil.y, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:29 (three years ago) link
I did just have to check if Slipstream was what I thought it was and got a bit of a spoiler, seeing as the corresponding thread has been bumped here - is one of the authors the dude who wrote Dhalgren?
― emil.y, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link
Ha, no.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link
Hmmmmm. I told you I was bad at this game ;_;
― emil.y, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link
Balzac-ness
Balzacité
― alimosina, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 17:50 (three years ago) link
anna kavan! was it kafka's sister... something, something brian aldiss?
― no lime tangier, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 01:32 (three years ago) link
Oh yes indeed
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 3 March 2021 01:35 (three years ago) link
Ah fuck, I like Anna Kavan too. I'm going to properly kick myself if that quote is featured in the blurbs of any of the ones of hers I've read.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 05:45 (three years ago) link