NBA offseason 2011 - stuck between a lockout and a hard place

The place to discuss rumors, new hires, firings, gossip and general baller whatnot as the NBA offseason progresses, or regresses, to its next excitnig season. Or it doesn't.

mark jackson hired in golden state!

kuester fired by pistons (this hadn't happened already??)

I don't even think I knew the pistons had a coach.

My vote is for laimbeer in detroit. Simone has to hire him eventually right?

Frontrunner in Detroit is Mike Woodson. Because a clogged toilet offense is what the worst defensive team in the league needs on the other end.

well he was worthless with a few good players in ATL, how could he not be effective with garbage in detroit.

kuester supposedly joining brown's staff in LA

warriors/sixers talking ellis for iguodala

http://es.pn/ky30t2

! welcome the arrival of a shoot first guard in Philly, we've never had one of those before

I like that trade for both sides.

during the offseason I'm all about any trade at all just to shake things up and bring some news but yeah this trade is about as sensible as you ever see in the nba.

WOWza. Steph Curry just took the reins.

jerry west shaking up things

Trading offense for defense is very non-warriors = I like it. Not sure on Mark Jackson,should be interesting.

I like that trade. Both players need new surroundings.

that actually seems like a trade that could improve both sides! philly's offense was dire at time and steph curry would just be unleashed

Jeeeez, had no idea Iggys contract was so massive, hes more of a 8-9 mill a year player to me.

yeah def; nice move for golden state tho

So this actually happened? Philly had a surplus of wings + gs needs someone that can/will play defense

Nah, just talks at the moment.

Hoping it actually goes down. Polyphonic, you a Warriors fan? Whats your thoughts on Jackson?

(i am sixers fan and agree hard with all this analysis)

Spottie: I guess I'm a Warriors fan. I moved to Oakland as an adult and adopted them I guess. The bond isn't that strong.

My thoughts are that Mark Jackson has never coached before on any level, and that the Warriors chose to hire a guy with name recognition. But I think the key thing is that they brought in Mike Malone to be his lead assistant, and I'm hoping he can provide the substance that Jackson lacks. I do think Jackson is a good dude who will work his butt off. I think Lacob was looking for a guy who had more star power than Smart, and that's a bad way to pick a coach.

Agree with the start power pick, that's the only thing that makes me nervous about it. Malone will definitely add some stability. I'm just kind of glad to see the warriors doing SOMETHING and not just being content to be the eternal 9-10 seed.

You need to strengthen your bond w the warriors, just submit yourself over.

*star power

If the Warriors want to stop being a 9-10 seed they need to make some changes, but imo the Warriors constantly fall in love with their players even when they aren't very good. If the Logo can provide that reality check then maybe there's hope.

The fact is that Smart improved their record substantially and was still fired for underperformance. The team is delusional about how good it is. I don't think Lee/Iggy/Curry is the kernel of a 2nd round playoff team, so even if they make this trade they'll have a lot of work to do.

Agree completely, their putting a lot on Curry to be that guy and I'm just not sure he has it, this year will tell.

Curry looked like crap all year. I predict they finish 4 games below this season's record.

Yah, i think Curry is overvalued at this point, but like others have said, third year is proving ground.

i think curry has crazy potential tbh

curry w/o monta dribbling the clock away is a wholly different prospect. He'd be fantastic actually being able to qb a team.

He can definitely score, but he needs to improve a lot as a point guard and as a defender.

The only four qualified PGs with lower A/TO ratios in 2011: Dragic, Evans, Arenas, Bledsoe.

Yeah, I agree with Clay, now that I think about it. Curry totally rocked during monta's dl stint in 09/10, iirc

steph is the next steve nash

Doesn't have the natural court vision and is way too TO prone, seriously though, this year will tell all. No Monta and a good defender next to him (if trade happens) to help mask his horrible defense.

He has good court vision, but not Nash court vision.

so you're saying... his game's not MVP like steve nash?

This is what I'm sayin.

While Knicks fans fret about the possibility of Isiah Thomas returning to New York, the Detroit Pistons are considering Thomas for their vacant head coaching position, according to league sources.

Thomas is not the leading candidate, sources say, but he is on Detroit's short list along with Mike Woodson, Kelvin Sampson and his former Pistons teammate Bill Laimbeer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6636897&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

LAIMBEER! ISIAH! DUKE IT OUT BROS!

lil late here but just wanted to say that im kinda pissed re mark jackson getting a head coaching position by actively trying out for it on my tv via spouting nonsense he knows to be untrue - i mean 'defense is all abt effort' ok mark jackson was well known to be one of the worst defenders in the nba, so either he gave no effort or there might be a talent aspect to defense - and then like his whole inane imitation of leadership gravitas, why were we forced to endure such inanity - im glad i dont have to hear his commentary anymore but fuck the nba for letting his dumb ass plan work

I like to think the warriors gm just got tired of listening to him on the broadcast and was like "okay, we'll take one for the team... thank us later, nba fans"

he was interviewd on pti today and just spouted truism after truism it was kind of lol

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Would a longer off season significantly favor the heat?

why do you think that? it looks to me that current powerhouse teams like the Spurs, Lakers, Celtics, and Mavs are all going to be done in the next 2-4 years. I would think the Heat's main competition would be teams like the Thunder and Bulls, both of which are younger than the Heat. I would think the Heat's window is the next 5 years, right? In 2016, the big 3 will be 31, 32, and 34. Losing a year of that doesn't seem good for them.

But maybe I'm misunderstanding the argument..?

the last lock out had a shorter but more compressed schedule w/lots of back to back games that were hard on the older team particularly the jazz who some argue couldve won it that year under a normal season - but i mean who knows how thingsll play out this year

http://testmedia.theonion.com/images/articles/article/10112/SB-David-Stern-redo.jpg

read Gilbert's date tweets from last night: http://twitter.com/#!/agentzeroshow

so what's this about cp3 for westbrook? i would become the biggest okc fan in the world

Dream trade that's not gonna happen.

it actually kinda makes sense in that pauls legs prob arent gonna hold out much longer

bosh is such a loner, i feel like he's the most relateable star athlete in the world. him or ocho.

Kinda feel for those guys if they're spending Friday night in Eugene. Xp

yeah. he's also bright and quietly does a lot of charity work. i really like bosh. (xp)

wade def had buyers remorse in the finals, hes trying to make it work, but given the chance to walk away

wade def had buyers remorse in the finals, hes trying to make it work, but given the chance to walk away

― ice cr?m, Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:27 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol i don't think any of this is true

wade played like crap for most of the finals

it is true!

especially if he could play w/like dwight instead!

wait iirc wade played poorly in the conf finals

i don't know why he would have any more or less remorse than any of them

cause it was 'his deal' hes the boss

also hes the most killer

lol none of them can shoot for shit basically

the heat hit a dead end practically right after the 06 championship, not sure why wade would feel remorseful over being two games away from winning the title

its the nba try practicing 3 pointers!

jordan u clearly just dont understand the mind of a champion, theres nothing i can do abt that

yeah why are they at a football game they should be practicing 3s right now! Season's right around corner after all.

lol wade loves playing with bron (and bosh).

now if you're saying that he recognizes the redundancies in he and bron's game, and might realize the perfect fit that might exist between him, howard and bosh, well . . .

there is no season, yet there is still daniels rose colored athletic goggles

they are bifocals, actually.

in that they focus solely on the heat and dolphins?

boom

no. i am also a celtics fan.

i also like many other teams, including some team from atlanta, whats-their-names from oakland, i think a baseball team in the kansas city area. a few others.

now ur just making stuff up, none of those places exist

lol. i am actually a big celtics fan.

now if you're saying that he recognizes the redundancies in he and bron's game, and might realize the perfect fit that might exist between him, howard and bosh, well . . .

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:00 PM (1 hour ago)

people bring this up occasionally but i'd like to see some evidence that this is negatively influencing the heat - iirc they ran the pick and roll pretty effectively when they wanted to. also each of them is among the very best at his position at playing big/posting up - i'd guess that their versatility overcomes any theoretical wing overlap between them

& icey lebron is an underrated jumpshooter

the team is fine, they basically should have won the finals but dirk basically refused to lose. the huge key for them next year is getting mike miller back and able to hit his three.

otm

lebrons a career 33% shooter from 3, last year he shot 33%, what are people saying hes a 30% shooter idgi

dawg mike miller hasnt been 'back' for like five years #tradebron

also dirk didnt have that dominant of a finals even! miami just couldnt hit a shot, because they are bad at shooting, the only reason they made it to the finals was because they shot unusually well for them!

saying that's the 'only' reason they made it to the finals is kinda rong obv

i'm talking about midrange shooting joe, last season lebron shot 44.7% from 10-15 ft and 45% from 16-23 ft

the heat will never make it to the final again.

if youre a parameter player who cant shoot the 3 then youre not a good nba shooter full stop

he's 6-8!!!

well then play him at power forward already!

he's not your usual perimeter player! in fact i would dispute that categorization entirely!

point is as good as they are having bron and wade on the floor together because neither shoots the three that well allows the defense to collapse and they both have to work way harder than they really should to score, and then theres a defensive corollary where they dont have shot blocking in the middle so bron and wade have to kill themselves on the perimeter, like obvs the heat have ridic talent at the top but damn did they have to grind to win and it just never quite flowed/was p joyless to behold #tradebron

bron dribbles around a lot on the perimeter, p sure hes a perimeter player

heat definitely need good outside shooters to help bron and wade.

but it works both ways. the killer bron/wade combination should give the heat's shooters plenty of open looks.

they take up two of the positions at which you need shooters

also bron is obvs a choker and horrible coward everyone knows

all he needs is for the wizard of oz to give him courage.

at first thought it was "heart," but that's what the tin-man needs. not really sure what exactly the lion needed.

i hate the wizard of oz.

chris_bosh_tinman.jpg

haha

feel like the heat played that past season/finals about as badly as they could have & still pretty much could have won it all

point is as good as they are having bron and wade on the floor together because neither shoots the three that well allows the defense to collapse and they both have to work way harder than they really should to score, and then theres a defensive corollary where they dont have shot blocking in the middle so bron and wade have to kill themselves on the perimeter

theoretically this might be the case but idk, both of them had amazing seasons last year - wade shot 50% from the field first guard since jordan to do that & score 25 ppg - with any help whatsoever from pg & center they go 65-17

well yeah they have two of the best players and another really good one, but if they traded bron for howard theyd never lose a game

also being as good as they were at defense, particularly w/o a dominating shot blocker, is p hard to replicate season to season